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BrianD
07-31-2005, 05:28 AM
This has been done before but not in a way to keep track of the scores - hopefully this will overcome that by allowing you to choose one score per album.

You can base your evaluation on any version of the album.

neilius
07-31-2005, 06:16 AM
A little to 'poppy' for yes imho.
It was Trevor Rabins last outing with Yes and I think all credit should go to him for this album.

True Believer
07-31-2005, 07:39 AM
I gave it a 7, maybe it should be an 8 based on Endless Dream alone - great track.

Andersonic
07-31-2005, 11:54 AM
a unique album, I always call it the heaviest album Yes ever did. Alan's loud drums, Trevors screaming guitars, the bombast of Endless Dream.

Good one but next to Magnification a stand alone...

YesfanAndy
07-31-2005, 05:40 PM
The best YES material to come out of the Rabin era. a perfect 10. Even though I don't like "Real Love" or "State of Play". Endless Dream along garners it a 10.

heartofthesunrise
07-31-2005, 06:10 PM
An easy 10. Trevor's best work. I am Waiting and Endless Dream: *sigh*

maxwell
07-31-2005, 06:20 PM
Though not a great Yes west fan , I have to say Endless Dream is superb and up there with their best stuff.

cinderella
07-31-2005, 06:36 PM
Although I don't like State Of Play, everything else is so excellent it makes up for it.

10 all the way.

yessongs72
07-31-2005, 06:50 PM
A 2, except for Endless Dream nothing to "talk" about.

YesJen357
07-31-2005, 08:51 PM
10 for me.
I don't think there is a weak track on the album. It makes me miss Trevor and his contribution to the YES machine.
For all those who are understandably critical of Yes's entry into the 'pop' market and blame Trevor for it... Endless Dream should do something to silence the critics of Trevor's 'progressive' capabilities

Whitefish
08-01-2005, 05:08 AM
I gave it a 9. Not crazy about the songs "Real Love" or "Where will you be?". The rest is great!

I used to wake up and listen to "The Calling" first thing in the morning when this first came out for weeks and weeks. "State of Play" is my favorite on it. Sounds great when played LOUD!

GoD57
08-03-2005, 09:39 AM
I gave it a 2. My least favorite Yes album. For the longest time I couldn't even listen to it at all. I've forced myself to listen again recently and find that it's not as bad as I once thought. I will continue to listen and may come to like it someday, although I don't get ED at all.
It's not a lineup issue either, I rate BG as one of my top 5 Yes albums.

Bill

Steve St Thomas
08-03-2005, 09:53 AM
It's a 9. I subtracted -1, because it shouldn't have been the *&%&*^$*&TO^*R^*V)*O^R% &K^$O%6r last album by Anderson - Rabin - Squire - Kaye - White.

satyam
08-03-2005, 09:58 AM
I give it an 8, the last solid effort by Yes West and it allowed both Trevor Rabin and Tony Kaye to proudly walk into the sunset. Solid playing from what I think is the best live line up that Yes has ever had.

I too was very critical at first about this album, but it has grown over time, it makes me wish Trevor and Tony could come back to Yes

Cheers,
Satyam

tormatotork
08-05-2005, 03:03 PM
8 here too. Talk rocks. But the question is, do rocks talk?

webbcity
08-05-2005, 03:30 PM
I gave it a 7. "Endless Dream" is amazing, of course. Also love "State of Play" and "Where Will You Be?". I like pretty much everything on the album, but I'm not sure that "Walls" and "I Am Waiting" really fit in with the rest of it.

BrianD
08-06-2005, 09:19 PM
Talk currently averages 7.12

AwakeMan
08-09-2005, 10:24 AM
I gave it a 9 - a terribly underrated album. Trevor Rabin's crowning moment with Yes. Has some lovely music, wonderfully ecstatic singing and is also beautifully produced.

Ktrek
08-09-2005, 12:51 PM
8 for me. It's commercial rock at it's best. I have to be in the mood for this album but I do enjoy it on occasion.

Kevin

Jackaranda
08-09-2005, 01:22 PM
10+.

The Whale
08-09-2005, 02:18 PM
An easy 10. Trevor's best work. I am Waiting and Endless Dream: *sigh*

I gave it a 10 with out thinking twice! I agree but would add where will you be? double sigh

maximumdan
09-07-2005, 09:24 PM
I want Trevor(s) back! [7]

Awaken1976
09-07-2005, 10:27 PM
I love this album! I gave it a nine only because of "Where Will You Be". That was just a little over the top for me. Endless Dream and Real Love are my absolute favorites on this one. Trevor did a wonderful job with production and writing and performing on this "last outing" for him. And to see Endless Dream live?....... garsh! That was incredible!

luckeydoug1
10-04-2005, 09:21 PM
Another fantastic album by my favorite Yes lineup. State of Play and Real Love are the most outstanding and creative tracks here. I am also very fond of The Calling and Where Will You Be. The only 2 tracks here that keep this album from being a 10 are I Am Waiting and Walls. These are not bad songs, just that (with the exception of the into to Walls) these are just a little too straight forward for my taste. Neither are up there with the great innovative songs from the YesWest era.

breadboy526
10-05-2005, 11:00 AM
I gave it a 9. One of my favorite yeswest works. Endless dream rocks! Jon stirs up the emotions big time again.

BrianD
10-31-2005, 04:57 AM
After 55 votes, an average of 6.96

BrianD
01-06-2006, 05:03 PM
On January 7 2006 after 61 votes Talk rates 7.57

sunburstbasser
01-12-2006, 10:31 PM
10.

I love every moment of this album. My favorite Yeswest album by far. I'd put it up against most of the classic Yes stuff and anything since.

Rogo
12-12-2006, 09:17 PM
Never heard it.

allen toth
12-12-2006, 09:42 PM
10.

I love every moment of this album. My favorite Yeswest album by far. I'd put it up against most of the classic Yes stuff and anything since.

That's just plain WRONG, IMHO!!

Frumious B
12-12-2006, 09:49 PM
I gave it a seven. It's an enjoyable enough album especially after the absolute nadir of Union, but not really a band effort. It's the Trevor and Jon show.

loulamb
12-12-2006, 10:28 PM
It brought me back to Yes after many years.

allen toth
12-12-2006, 10:45 PM
I gave it a seven. It's an enjoyable enough album especially after the absolute nadir of Union, but not really a band effort. It's the Trevor and Jon show.

I think you're half right. It's the Trevor Show. Although Trevor let Jon sing on it. LOL

MrZuLu
12-12-2006, 10:47 PM
I saw Talk performed at The Gorge July 10, 1994 at Sunset...
that was when I met Alan and his Grandmother!

The Vancouver, BC, show was cancelled because of a logistical error getting equipment into Canada so they double up at the Gorge and did an extended show

Fan Freeking Tastic show!

10+ all the way!

MrZuLu
12-12-2006, 10:50 PM
I think you're half right. It's the Trevor Show. Although Trevor let Jon sing on it. LOL
just for the record it was a YES CONCERT not the Trev/Jon show!

THE BAND ROCKED!!!!



THE ENTIRE BAND!!!!!!

yes_angel
12-13-2006, 12:05 AM
awesome cd awesome tour and YES the band did ROCK!!!

Purple Wolfhound
12-13-2006, 08:53 AM
T F L

Scottie
12-13-2006, 04:12 PM
The best of all Yeswest albums IMHO.

Is the poll predicated upon all of the Yes albums or just those of which I categorize it in?

Big difference in my vote if it relates to overall.

Sue Walker
12-13-2006, 05:26 PM
A perfect 10, nothing has come close to this.This was Trevor's best YESWEST album.

CybrKhatru
12-13-2006, 06:01 PM
I gave it a 7.

Love Endless Dream, Where Will You Be, and I Am Waiting.

For me the only real negatives about Talk are production-related....it just sounds so cold in places...sterile...live the material fared much better, and made me wish the album had been recorded/mixed more organically.

--Matt

Yes2Yes
12-13-2006, 06:37 PM
I gave it an 8. I enjoy the album.

Timmo
12-13-2006, 06:38 PM
I gave it an 8, and agree that it's the best Trevor album.

Hawkingsminddrive
12-13-2006, 06:38 PM
I gave it a 7.

Love Endless Dream, Where Will You Be, and I Am Waiting.

For me the only real negatives about Talk are production-related....it just sounds so cold in places...sterile...live the material fared much better, and made me wish the album had been recorded/mixed more organically.

--Matt

I agree, although I give the album a strong 9.

Real Love is a great track, also.

Imperatrix
01-28-2007, 11:07 PM
I agree, although I give the album a strong 9.

I agree with him too, but I gave it a 10. :D

YESOLA
02-23-2007, 06:05 PM
I gave it a 7.

Love Endless Dream, Where Will You Be, and I Am Waiting.

For me the only real negatives about Talk are production-related....it just sounds so cold in places...sterile...live the material fared much better, and made me wish the album had been recorded/mixed more organically.

--Matt

Ditto. Although I'll give it an 8, cause it's Yes!

SadPreacher
02-26-2007, 01:17 AM
i gave it an 8...pretty damned good album

Olorin
02-26-2007, 01:51 AM
I gave it a 7. It's a decent album, certainly the best from the YesWest lineup. Reasons I didn't score it higher:

Some of the lyrics were just too silly ("from the depths of Hawking's mind")
It seems to be a Rabin solo album w/Yes members
Its production is just a little too slick and glossy

None of that is to say I didn't like it.

CybrKhatru
02-26-2007, 02:04 AM
I probably should have given it an 8....maybe I was having a bad day that day! :lmao:

pianozach
03-02-2007, 12:29 AM
An absolute "10" in my mind. There's not a clunker in the collection. One of my favorite Yes albums.

yes_angel
03-02-2007, 05:00 PM
An absolute "10" in my mind. There's not a clunker in the collection. One of my favorite Yes albums.YES Talk!

I'll be waiting
03-02-2007, 05:08 PM
8/10

A solid album with no real weak tracks.

TNyesfan
03-02-2007, 06:21 PM
Brian, I couldn't vote on the poll because you didn't include negative integers.

Canonsong
03-02-2007, 06:30 PM
10 + indeed :O)

GODSPEED
03-02-2007, 06:34 PM
I love Walls off of Talk.
Especially the 2nd chorus where Trevor sings and Jon echo's him and then Trevor sings "And I'm Calling.....Trevor's guitar riff and then Jon and Chris join Trevor singing You....is pure Yes magic I just wish it would have lasted longer than the 20 seconds or so but one of my favorite Yes moments.

Jackaranda
03-03-2007, 01:28 PM
Brian, I couldn't vote on the poll because you didn't include negative integers.

I heard that.....:argue2:

Terry Shea
03-03-2007, 07:35 PM
I gave it a 1. It's an absolutely horrible album. The Calling is a great track that actually sounds Yeslike. The rest of the album sounds like a Trevor solo effort (oh wait, it is isn't it) except not nearly as good. Endless Dream is an Endless Nightmare. The rest of the album is just plain boring.

Terry Shea
03-03-2007, 07:41 PM
Oh, the music does stand out though when compared to the albums' cover art (if you can even call it that). I'll bet Roger Dean got a real kick out of seeing that Peter Max subcontracted the artwork out to his 4-year old kid:beerchugr:.

1yesfan
03-03-2007, 11:00 PM
I'm am waiting is a sweet tune live. Rabin adds nice opening guitar work and the solo towards the end is great.

south_side
03-04-2007, 12:39 AM
My least favorite album from the Trevor Rabin era (I don't really put Union in that bunch, as it's primarily ABWH tunes). Nonetheless it has its moments.

frosted
03-04-2007, 12:44 AM
I gave it a 1. It's an absolutely horrible album. The Calling is a great track that actually sounds Yeslike. The rest of the album sounds like a Trevor solo effort (oh wait, it is isn't it) except not nearly as good. Endless Dream is an Endless Nightmare. The rest of the album is just plain boring.

It's funny how some people like to call this album a "Rabin solo effort" when the reality is that this was the only Rabin era album that Jon and Trevor fully collaborated on. I guess that false impression came from the fact that Rabin produced the album. This was at the record company's insistance because they refused to pay for a outside producer to be brought in for the project. I myself think Talk came accross as a bit sterile in places but as many have commented here on Yesfans the songs really came to life on the tour itself. I have Talk and also a few boots from the tour and I never listen to the studio album. The boots are just that much better! I also believe that if the band had been signed to a legitiment record company that had able to spend money promoting the record and tour they both would have sold better.

KPatrick
03-04-2007, 01:23 AM
6. That seemed to be the most fair I could be in blending my views on it relative to other Yes music and my views on it relative to everything else that was going on in 1994 and has gone on since in the music world. On their own terms, I really like the first 4 songs and "Endless Dream." "Walls" is pedestrian. "Where Will you Be" has grown on me over the years.

I think it's an album of 3 or 3.5 star songs. Too light on the keyboards for my taste, and it didn't have the darker elements of Yes music. (I exclude "Endless Dream" from this, but I might include "Real Love.") And it would have been nice if Chris had showed up.

Terry Shea
03-04-2007, 09:33 AM
6. That seemed to be the most fair I could be in blending my views on it relative to other Yes music and my views on it relative to everything else that was going on in 1994 and has gone on since in the music world. On their own terms, I really like the first 4 songs and "Endless Dream." "Walls" is pedestrian. "Where Will you Be" has grown on me over the years.

I think it's an album of 3 or 3.5 star songs. Too light on the keyboards for my taste, and it didn't have the darker elements of Yes music. (I exclude "Endless Dream" from this, but I might include "Real Love.") And it would have been nice if Chris had showed up.That's exactly my point about it being a Trevor solo album. Chris and Tony are almost non-existent on the album. On the tour, everyone except Chris and Alan had a keyboard in front of them and Trevor had to try to make it a solo tour by bastardizing classics such as And You And I with his totally out of place piano work! I want to see and hear Trevor play guitar, not piano and they already had a keyboardist (actually 4 on this tour). If Tony wasn't working out they should have gotten someone else to do the job.

MrZuLu
03-08-2007, 11:47 PM
That's exactly my point about it being a Trevor solo album. Chris and Tony are almost non-existent on the album. On the tour, everyone except Chris and Alan had a keyboard in front of them and Trevor had to try to make it a solo tour by bastardizing classics such as And You And I with his totally out of place piano work! I want to see and hear Trevor play guitar, not piano and they already had a keyboardist (actually 4 on this tour). If Tony wasn't working out they should have gotten someone else to do the job.
yeah you're right... oooops except you are wrong Terry...

Alan's keyboard is/was to his right and Chris has one on the floor in the form of Taurus bass pedals which is an octave and a half of a keyboard...

Purple Wolfhound
03-09-2007, 11:53 AM
I gave it a 7. Some good songs, some not. A Trevor solo album, with guest appearances by members of Yes. I certainly think it deserves an 11+ rating for LOUDNESS factor – this has to be one of the LOUDEST recorded albums in music history! I guess Trevor took that Spinal Tap volume knob thing seriously. :lmao: When I was 16 or even 35 that might not have bothered me so much, but my cranky old guy ears really have issues with it these days, especially on something as obnoxiously grating as “State Of Play” (Elephant Talk? – more like Elephant Scream).

MINDRIVE
05-15-2008, 09:07 PM
A solid 9

I saw them on the Talk tour and it was very memorable.

Suntower Asking
05-17-2008, 03:17 PM
I dig Endless Dream, I am Waiting, Where will you be and State of Play.

I'd give it a 6 i guess.

Squire and Whites parts seem totally fabricated to me on some songs and it's obvious Tony barely playes more than seven notes on the thing.

Jons voice sounds nice at least.

bbb
05-17-2008, 04:39 PM
Coming late to the party here but I give it a 10. A fantastic album.

I didn't buy it for a long time because I hated Big Generator so much..and the sleeve didn't entice me, but a friend more or less forced it on me and am I glad she did.

wubba
05-19-2008, 04:43 PM
I gave it zero not just because of bad composition, but because the music!!!! is lifeless computer generated nonsense.
Yes have extended their life by embracing new technology not always for the good, allowing computers to compose and at times remove the heart of single and multiple notes. Frankly I would rather listen to Shangalang by the Bay City Rollers.

If you think I am wrong I suggest you get up into your loft space,dust of your old turntables and get a vinyl copy of Oceans, Relayer or Edge. Listen to The Remembering on vinyl,it will remind you what real music of the soul is all about, it will touch you, it will bring tears of joy to eyes, your heart will jump a beat.

CD's are empty, Ipods... burn them, binary code like Talk are best forgotten. Get out the vinyl, listen to music of any kind and remind one's self why the world could be a better place.

RobJ
05-19-2008, 06:27 PM
After reading most of the very positive reviews of Talk, I'm a little embarrassed to admit to scoring it a 4. In all fairness to the album, I only listened to it a few times before packing it away and that was back when it was new. I just didn't like the feel of the CD and to my ears production was the biggest problem not so much the quality of the song writing. I suppose it's time I had another listen.

maninthemoon
05-19-2008, 06:32 PM
I gave it a 2. My least favorite Yes album. For the longest time I couldn't even listen to it at all. I've forced myself to listen again recently and find that it's not as bad as I once thought. I will continue to listen and may come to like it someday, although I don't get ED at all.
It's not a lineup issue either, I rate BG as one of my top 5 Yes albums.

Bill
I gave it a 3. I'm trying to listen to it again, but I have not really liked it much in the past.

Steve Mahoney
05-19-2008, 06:43 PM
Its the Best of non Classic Yes.

Steve

Doctor Flang
05-19-2008, 07:21 PM
I listened "Talk" today and it is a very good. "The Calling", "State of Play", "Where Will You Be" and "Endless Dream" are my favourites. There are elements that i don't dig that much, like some of Trevor's guitar melodies and phrasing are a bit too 80's for me.

And "Walls" should be on a Trevor Rabin solo album, it has nothing to do with Yes IMO.

BrianD
07-01-2008, 06:13 AM
On July 1 2008 after 129 votes, average 7.47

HOTsunrise
09-19-2008, 12:36 PM
I give it a rock solid 8. "The Calling", "I Am Waiting", "Walls", are great tunes. I like those closely miked drums.

somissound
10-04-2008, 10:37 PM
A Rocking 8!

The album slams... The only reason I don't rate it higher is Where Will You Be, and Walls, are not some of my favorite Yes moments, and there seems to be too many drum samples/edits... I really like the way they slam though... Kind of like Drama on Steroids... The Calling, I Am Waiting, Real Love, and Endless Dream are some of my all time favorite Yes moments though :)

pjt
10-05-2008, 03:36 AM
8/10
Aside from the poppy Walls, it's a rather good album. Yes, it could have been better, but since I've bought it after ELP's abysmal In The Hot S***t, it was the refreshing air of progressive music, that was missing for years.

pjt
10-05-2008, 04:00 AM
8/10
Aside from the poppy Walls, it's a rather good album. Yes, it could have been better, but since I've bought it after ELP's abysmal In The Hot S***t, it was the refreshing air of progressive music, that was missing for years.

yarstruly
10-31-2008, 08:38 AM
Seems I gave it a 9 some time ago...lol...The Best YesWest IMHO...better than some "Trooper" albums....

Jackaranda
10-31-2008, 11:03 AM
I gave it a 7, maybe it should be an 8 based on Endless Dream alone - great track.

Yes, and based on the fact that I think it's great, you should make that 8 at least a 9.

Talk is still, imo, the best Yes album since GFTO. To this day I'm convinced that Rabin's departure after Talk was the biggest mistake they could have possibly made. And yes, I said it at the time....very loudly. A disgusting, terrible move, perpetuated by the editors of Yes Magazine and certain hardcore Troopers.

PJH
11-02-2008, 05:33 AM
Yes, and based on the fact that I think it's great, you should make that 8 at least a 9.

Talk is still, imo, the best Yes album since GFTO. To this day I'm convinced that Rabin's departure after Talk was the biggest mistake they could have possibly made. And yes, I said it at the time....very loudly. A disgusting, terrible move, perpetuated by the editors of Yes Magazine and certain hardcore Troopers.

Yes, did not "get rid" of Trevor Rabin. He left of his own accord. I honestly think that he's better off.

marklovesyes
11-03-2008, 01:42 AM
Yes, and based on the fact that I think it's great, you should make that 8 at least a 9.

Talk is still, imo, the best Yes album since GFTO. To this day I'm convinced that Rabin's departure after Talk was the biggest mistake they could have possibly made. And yes, I said it at the time....very loudly. A disgusting, terrible move, perpetuated by the editors of Yes Magazine and certain hardcore Troopers.
Trevor has stated many times that he wanted to do soundtrack work. His departure was more about that coupled with the market not really being conducive to new Yes music any more. The problems that Victory Music was having at the time contributed to lack of promotion for "Talk" and its subsequent tour. It was just a clear time for him to move on. The right opportunity.

The Gottlieb's (Yes Magazine) were just pointing out the obvious for what Yes needed. It was the right change and right move to make. The next right move was getting Billy Sherwood involved which enabled them to get some radio play, and then hiring Allen Kovac who got them some great tours starting in 1997.

Yes, did not "get rid" of Trevor Rabin. He left of his own accord. I honestly think that he's better off.

Indeed he is better off. He's probably making 10x the money and has a great creative outlet.

With all this said, I really miss seeing Trevor play and sing. I have great memories of the Talk Tour and other tours I have seen him on.

witeskyn7
11-07-2008, 12:39 PM
I give this album a 7.

It was a standout, IMHO, from BG and even 90125 in technical endeavoring.

Endless Dream speaks for itself here.

In the credits it is stated, "For All Yesfans..."

A very,very good attempt for the 'YesWest' line up to add something
as timeless as other predessor albums.
Granted, it took awhile to really listen to TALK ,
but now,

I'm happy I did. :drummer:

Jackaranda
11-26-2008, 02:07 PM
The Gottlieb's (Yes Magazine) were just pointing out the obvious for what Yes needed. It was the right change and right move to make.


I completely disagree with that. The classic Yes line up fell apart before they could even tour, then the band tried to sack Howe and bring back Rabin during the OYE period.

But you're right, Trevor wasn't fired so much as knowing no one (at least not the ones that counted) appreciated him any more. I think he just gave up more than anything. The treatment he received from so many people was really awful.

Rocksurfer
11-27-2008, 02:21 PM
I enjoyed the album, it isn't the best one with Trevor but some of the songs did look to pre-Trevor value.

pianozach
11-27-2008, 03:27 PM
I completely disagree with that. The classic Yes line up fell apart before they could even tour, then the band tried to sack Howe and bring back Rabin during the OYE period.

But you're right, Trevor wasn't fired so much as knowing no one (at least not the ones that counted) appreciated him any more. I think he just gave up more than anything. The treatment he received from so many people was really awful.

I appreciate his work with Yes and regard it quite highly.

Trevor Rabin is a musical genius.

yes372
11-27-2008, 03:42 PM
8 for me. Best overall of the three Trevor Rabin releases. I've downgraded it a bit because of the harsh recording quality and the fact that it's the worst Squire sound on any Yes recording.

webbcity
06-14-2009, 01:10 PM
I've quoted myself below...this was my rating and post from almost 4 years ago. I must sit down and have a "Talk" with myself (pun intended). I was dead wrong. This album gets at least a 9, if not a 10. I've been cranking this thing for the past couple of weeks and it's amazing. I'm shocked that I only gave it a 7...what was I thinking? :dunno:

In my defense, I remember absolutely loving this for years after it came out, so I guess I must have gone temporarily insane in 2005.
I gave it a 7. "Endless Dream" is amazing, of course. Also love "State of Play" and "Where Will You Be?". I like pretty much everything on the album, but I'm not sure that "Walls" and "I Am Waiting" really fit in with the rest of it.

jaynote1
08-23-2009, 02:14 PM
I give it a 4....my least favorite Yes album....While no one else seems to like State Of Play, its pretty much my favorite song on the album....Endless Dream (which everyone seems to think is Yeswests Close to the Edge) has some good parts, but seems to be a bit of a Frankenstein with all the bits just sort of chopped in.....I would say "The Order Of The Universe" is a better written, more coherent song than Endless Dream....the rest of the album is Rabin-led Yes attempting to recreate the commercial success of 90125....

DPinAccy
08-31-2009, 05:00 PM
Are we scoring as a Yes album or a TR album. Yes--2 TR 7

crotale2112
08-31-2009, 05:15 PM
Out of all the "rabin" yes stuff I like the talk album very much because I can tell when jon anderson plays a roll in the writing and over all feeling of a song. from what I understand this is one of the few times jon and trevor worked closely together. As a yes/anderson fan that means alot to me.

i would LOVE to hear the talk album RE-RECORDED again on big fat juicy 2 inch tape and ALL tracks going through soft warm tube amps. Ahhhhhhh....

90125yes
09-01-2009, 09:29 AM
gave it 8 out of 10

great album

rmig68
09-01-2009, 10:00 AM
Very good album. I have some issues with it, but I in no way feel this wasn't a worthy album.

Because so many Yesfans must compare it with the classic Yes, then it will obviously have it's detractors. Yeah, it can certainly be criticized even on its own, but it was unique in its own way.

Rabin was trying to expand the production elements and I'll take Peter Max any day over the Big Generator design.

There is some great playing and conceptual moments. There are some pop moments and just some songs, too, so, in a way, this was a very diverse album, which I like.

pianozach
09-02-2009, 03:51 AM
. . . I'll take Peter Max any day over the Big Generator design.. . . .

We're in the minority. I thought the Talk cover was wonderful.

Change is hard for some people, I guess.

90125yes
09-09-2009, 07:16 AM
We're in the minority. I thought the Talk cover was wonderful.

Change is hard for some people, I guess.

---

change is one thing and bad art another

give me the classic roger dean logo any day

rabinmovies
09-09-2009, 01:21 PM
The production on Talk I thought was brilliant. It gave Yes a very modern sound for the 90's.
I found it rather strange when Yes released Open your eyes 3 yrs later. I found that it sounded quite dated at the time. At least 10 year old. It had a 80's AOR feel to it. So I think it lacked the production that Talk had.
Talk is my favourite album of all time and Endless Dream my favourite piece of music. I got into Yes when Big Generator was released, so I am a big BIG Rabin fanatic. I like Howe but his style is not heavy enough for my taste

crotale2112
09-09-2009, 02:53 PM
The production on Talk I thought was brilliant. It gave Yes a very modern sound for the 90's.
I found it rather strange when Yes released Open your eyes 3 yrs later. I found that it sounded quite dated at the time. At least 10 year old. It had a 80's AOR feel to it. So I think it lacked the production that Talk had.
Talk is my favourite album of all time and Endless Dream my favourite piece of music. I got into Yes when Big Generator was released, so I am a big BIG Rabin fanatic. I like Howe but his style is not heavy enough for my taste
Yup... i hear what your saying. hey, you rabin fans are a crucial part of the fabric of yes history.

So, I bet you love the live "and you and I" from the box set. I'm more of a howe fan but I must give credit when credit is due. It's one of my favorite versions of AYAI. Very powerful and I love the way trevor plays the solo. the ending is amazing too. I crank the living daylights out of my big 12" speakers and watch the dishes move across the table.

back then there were all kinds of "things" going on back stage to help fuel the power of that version.

rabinmovies
09-11-2009, 04:04 PM
Yep, you bet. That version from The Big Generator tour Surely Rocks!! So much power.

Howe's And you And I always sounds far too weak and acousticy for my taste. Although, I do love the Yessongs 1972 version when it's entirely played on a electric twin neck gibson. I think Steve should crank this epic up a bit nowadays. The versions on Keys 2 and ABWH live 89 cd's are far too weak!!!

pianozach
09-12-2009, 01:37 AM
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change is one thing and bad art another

give me the classic roger dean logo any day

Oh. LIke the Open Your Eyes cover?

The production on Talk I thought was brilliant. It gave Yes a very modern sound for the 90's.
I found it rather strange when Yes released Open your eyes 3 yrs later. I found that it sounded quite dated at the time. At least 10 year old. It had a 80's AOR feel to it. So I think it lacked the production that Talk had.
Talk is my favourite album of all time and Endless Dream my favourite piece of music. I got into Yes when Big Generator was released, so I am a big BIG Rabin fanatic. I like Howe but his style is not heavy enough for my taste

INteresting. I agree with your assessment of Talk. I love the production.

And it's one of my favorite Yes albums. Simply phenomenal.