Another crap Yes DVD.......

[Rick N Backer]

Afraid to say I agree with Oliastu in the other thread. My copy has piss poor sound with out of sync sound and vision from Mind Drive pt3 onwards. Before you ask I have an extremely good DVD and 5.1 surround system and all my other DVD's play fine.

As for the performance itself, yeah it's good, but the poor sound ruins it entirely.

It's yet another case of the final product not matching the expectation. It is utterly unacceptable to release poor quality copies when we have waited so damn long for this in the first place.

My copy's going straight in the bin.

Fed up and pissed off.

[Hacman]

Afraid to say I agree with Oliastu in the other thread. My copy has piss poor sound with out of sync sound and vision from Mind Drive pt3 onwards. Before you ask I have an extremely good DVD and 5.1 surround system and all my other DVD's play fine.

As for the performance itself, yeah it's good, but the poor sound ruins it entirely.

It's yet another case of the final product not matching the expectation. It is utterly unacceptable to release poor quality copies when we have waited so damn long for this in the first place.

My copy's going straight in the bin.

Fed up and pissed off.




Uh oh... This sounds exactly like the HOB release problem... a crapshoot if you are going to get a properly produced version. I hope that by the time if FINALLY gets released in the U.S., this will be sorted out.

Hold on to the DVD, see if it becomes "established" that were production problems and ask for a swap. Or just ask for a swap anyway.


Homer




Homer

[Vic Anderson]

on what kind of junk you ppl are playing it on man?

i think i can tell good sound from bad sound

but it sounds really good with me

if you get like a $100 theatre system peace love and happy life

make sure you select the 5.1 dts sound

come on ppl

[henny]

My copy of Tsongas is good.

[dead_groundhog]

wow, this is really crazy! so many complete different opinions on this! i don't know what to think anymore! i'm getting all confused! Looking forward to Henny's detailed review.

[Rick N Backer]

on what kind of junk you ppl are playing it on man?

i think i can tell good sound from bad sound

but it sounds really good with me

if you get like a $100 theatre system peace love and happy life

make sure you select the 5.1 dts sound

come on ppl

'scuse me, as I said, it ain't my system that's at fault and whilst I don't doubt for a single second that your copy is OK, I'm telling you mine isn't and I can tell when lips move and words come out later that there's a problem.

I wouldn't mind, but I had the same problem with the utter dog turd that was the KTA video when released. I wouldn't mind again if Yesspeak was any good. I wouldn't mind if Philly 79 was any good. I wouldn't mind at all, but once again, poor production at the pressing stage has let the band down. I own dozens of DVD's and the Yes ones are the only ones that are crap sound. End of story.

[dead_groundhog]

I own dozens of DVD's and the Yes ones are the only ones that are crap sound. End of story.

I think Symphonic sounds great!

[smatt]

Seems to me the complaints should be against the crap dvd production in the UK. The UK, has always had poor electronics production of all kinds ;) Not the band, but that's just me......


The 79 show was shelved because t sucked and when it was released it was out of the hands of the band. They never wanted it out there at all. Keys, agreed it's more a studio video than a live one. I never bought the House of Yes DVD, so I can't comment on that one. Symphonic is great I've got no probvlems there. But that was U.S. pressed, not UK pressed. I've also got no problem Yesspeak, no problems there either.

I suggest you return it as defective to the retailer where you bought it. But I'm sure you'll just keep it so you can contniue to complain....... :smurf:

[Rick N Backer]

The UK, has always had poor electronics production of all kinds ;)




I suggest you return it as defective to the retailer where you bought it. But I'm sure you'll just keep it so you can contniue to complain....... :smurf:

Ha ha very funny and how utterly untrue. The fact that all the world's best HiFi is made in the UK has escaped you! Besides which, the DVD wasn't pressed here.

I didn't buy it so I could complain about it. I was looking forward to it and it's a crap copy. Quite how many more crap copies are circulating around here is anyone's guess.

[Rick N Backer]

I think Symphonic sounds great!
So do I.

I didn't maean all the YES ones have crap sound, just that the ones I have with crap sound are YES ones.

[True Believer]

My copy is A-OK.

[Silent_wings]

Rick ~ As anyone who weeds often will tell you every once in awhile even if you are buying quality blanks you get a disk that was manufactured poorly. Soooooo it's very posible (others have had no problem with it) that you just need to return it for a nondefective disk.

[jonanderson]

yea well no matter what i am still gonna buy it when it comes out in the US, and if the copy is that bad then just close ur eyes and listen so u dont have to see the lips are off.lol.

[Hill St.]

Send it to me.I'm tired of the delays.

[YesJen357]

My copy is still a couple of days away. It is agonising to hear of the dud discs after having waited soooo looong... I'm getting more nervous by the minute!

[YESYOUANDI]

Ha ha very funny and how utterly untrue. The fact that all the world's best HiFi is made in the UK has escaped you! Besides which, the DVD wasn't pressed here.

I didn't buy it so I could complain about it. I was looking forward to it and it's a crap copy. Quite how many more crap copies are circulating around here is anyone's guess.

Hey---not just British hi-fi is best ---but the worlds best guitar amps are British too----Marshall, Hiwatt, Laney, Cornford, Orange, Vox, Matamp--to name just a few.

Very true Rick, there are some very duff YES vids/dvds about---I have some myself.

Cheers fans

[henny]

Seems to me the complaints should be against the crap dvd production in the UK. The UK, has always had poor electronics production of all kinds ;)


Please tell me you're joking?

If not, that's the most outrageous psuedointellectual comment I have ever, ever heard.

Shame on you.

Re the DVD - The audio was entirely mixed in DAT / Betacam SP format for HD and SD - meaning, for the laymen amongst us:

PBS were entirely responsible for it.

Blame your rudimentary, shoddy and underfunded public service broadcaster for its state, smatt.

The guys in the UK did the best they could to patch it up in post.

[steve4001]

my copy either has soundtrack sync problems or somebody has been very sloppy with the overdubs - it just looks mimed. It's as bad as KTA

[jambo]

my copy either has soundtrack sync problems or somebody has been very sloppy with the overdubs - it just looks mimed. It's as bad as KTA

Dont talk complete and utter rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Its not as good as symphonic, but there is no sound problems on my copy.

To say its as bad as KTA is just S**t. Go and get yourselfs a decent Dvd player!

Wots with all the moaning, do you expect everything to be perfect all the time.

Be happy it got released! Its a great Dvd!

You people are really starting to piss me off! Get your eyes/ears tested

[steve4001]

Dont talk complete and utter rubbish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Go and get yourselfs a decent Dvd player!

You people are really starting to piss me off! Get your eyes/ears tested

Sorry Jambo but we have a very decent DVD player and my eyes and ears are just fine. I sincerely hope my copy is faulty and not a representative example, but pretending the problems don't exist is not going to help anyone.

[sherriff_johnbrown]

Hey---not just British hi-fi is best ---but the worlds best guitar amps are British too----Marshall, Hiwatt, Laney, Cornford, Orange, Vox, Matamp--to name just a few.

And the world's best electronics - BSR!

:lmao:

[stevie]

I haven't seen it yet so will not pass judgement. But if it is plagued with the same problems we've seen before I'll start to think DVD's filmed in the US are jinxed, Philidelphia, KTA and now possibly this.

[steve4001]

And the world's best electronics - BSR!


Don't forget the mighty Amstrad :30:

[YESYOUANDI]

It's only us BRITS that can moan like this---good on ya lads.
British is best---are YES British---you bet ya.
Rock on up-wards from those old white cliffs!!!
Cheers fans.

[YESYOUANDI]

Hell---I forgot to mention the Worlds best speakers----CELESTION.
Oh, and we Brits have the worlds best tennis players too!!!!!!
Cheers fans.
*uck me we are just too good!
Cheers fans again.

[steve4001]

Oh, and we Brits have the worlds best tennis players

Best rugby and cricket players too!
What? We lost? To the All Blacks AND to Oz!!!
Well, we're still good at conkers, marbles and subutio

[steve4001]

Hey, lots of you guys have the Tsongas weed. Do these sync problems exist on your copies or is this a post-production issue?

[InverYes]

Can anyone explain to me why they don't believe the three people so far who have got duff copies of this ? Do you think they're making it up or something ?

[spock]

on what kind of junk you ppl are playing it on man?

i think i can tell good sound from bad sound

but it sounds really good with me

if you get like a $100 theatre system peace love and happy life

make sure you select the 5.1 dts sound

come on ppl

Totally disagree, I got my copy yesterday and the sound is flat, without bas, without any dynamics....it sucks and I have a 10000 dollar hi-end system.
Forget the DTS, forget the 5.1.....it sounds better in the stupid dolby surround configuration..........can anybody figure that out.

[spock]

Yes indeed, another crap dvd from Yes.
I was afraid that this would happen, simply for the cause that it was postponed again and again.......that already pointed towards some troubles and troubles are there.
The sound...the sound...the sound....is flat without dynamics, and where the hell is the bass of Chris..... I guess anywhere but not on the dvd.
I got a hi-end system with a Denon A-11sr, electrostatic-speakers from audiostatic and Norh and B&W, dvd 2900 from Denon,a Rel sub etc..etc...and figure this one out...the DTS and 5.1 sound is worse than the dolby surround configuration !!!!!
And was it not possible to put this on 1 copy instead of 2......they managed it with Symphonic and as far as I know this one runs also towards 3 hours.
I think we have to live with it that Symphonic will be ,forever the ultimate best yes dvd.
What I don't understand is.....doesn't anybody from Yes themselves listen to this before giving it green light...I can't image that Chris is happy with this either..with such poor bass.

[Rick N Backer]

Replaced my duff copy for a decent one and there are no sync problems on it.

However, in my opinion the DVD itself is a bit of a let down, especially bearing in mind the delays. I was especially looking forward to Ritual, which is a disappointment as the bass is nowhere near as prominent in the mix as it is on the Symphonic version. It does sound better in straight Dolby than 5.1 or DTS.

I think the performance is a bit lacklustre. The three shows I saw on that tour were more energetic, but then that's the difference I suppose between the real live setting and seeing it on TV. It's never the same.

Overall, it's not as good as Symphonic, which for me is the benchmark by which YES DVD's should be measured. No others have matched it - although Yes Acoustic comes a very close second.

I'm afarid I totally disagree with the contributor to this thread who says we should be grateful for it being released in the first place. I'm seldom grateful to be on the receiving end of something substandard if I've paid good money for it. No, I don't need my eyes or ears looking at. They're tested frequently anyway and I have no problems. Neither do I play music or DVD's on cheap crappy systems. What I have are good quality (mainly British) components that do not cause problems with other discs.

[Rick N Backer]

...........and I posted this one before I read Spock's! Glad I'm not alone.

[neilius]

This is so frustrating. It was filmed well over a year ago and for people like me who still buys cd's dvd's from the record store, it leaves me wondering if its worth buying. And its a 2 disc set, oh it'll be 30 quid then. I may as well wait another two weeks and see where this thread goes.

[Rick N Backer]

This is so frustrating. It was filmed well over a year ago and for people like me who still buys cd's dvd's from the record store, it leaves me wondering if its worth buying. And its a 2 disc set, oh it'll be 30 quid then. I may as well wait another two weeks and see where this thread goes.

I wouldn't say don't buy it, and it won't cost anywhere near £30. I would say that it could have been better. It doesn't help that the poeple who put these things together mess about with the sound and the pictures and do things like spelling Wonderous Stories wrong! Led Zeppelin, Rush and Genesis - all of who have made excellent live DVD's in the last few years seem to have more control and better quality control. The band members get personally involved and make sure the fans will be happy.

It seems that Yes don't or can't do this with their DVD releases in general, which have suffered as a result.

Have a look on Amazon and get a second hand copy (it won't take long trust me!) if you're not sure.

[neilius]

I wouldn't say don't buy it, and it won't cost anywhere near £30. I would say that it could have been better. It doesn't help that the poeple who put these things together mess about with the sound and the pictures and do things like spelling Wonderous Stories wrong! Led Zeppelin, Rush and Genesis - all of who have made excellent live DVD's in the last few years seem to have more control and better quality control. The band members get personally involved and make sure the fans will be happy.

It seems that Yes don't or can't do this with their DVD releases in general, which have suffered as a result.

Have a look on Amazon and get a second hand copy (it won't take long trust me!) if you're not sure.

Thanks rick,

I'll check out amazon at some stage through the week.

[stevie]

Overall, it's not as good as Symphonic, which for me is the benchmark by which YES DVD's should be measured. No others have matched it - although Yes Acoustic comes a very close second.

Symphonic would take some beating though.

[Rick N Backer]

Symphonic would take some beating though.

Absolutely. The mere fact that there are plenty of gratutious shots of young girls getting their lips round various instruments is worth the price alone!

[Steve St Thomas]

Absolutely. The mere fact that there are plenty of gratutious shots of young girls getting their lips round various instruments is worth the price alone!

O MY GOD! I can't even believe you went there! LMAO! Good thing there were no bananas for snacks by the side of orchestra pits or Symphonic would have been rated X. But there is a girl in the Symphonic orchestra who looks a lot like Rachel Griffiths of Six Feet Under
http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/58/84/32m.jpg.

They show her and another girl quite often, because it seems they're the ones really getting into the performance, apart from Tom Brislin and Chris Squire!!! I hate her character on Six Feet, but Rachel's kinda sexy. These comments you have made have just somehow made Symphonic a little more intriguing to watch. ;)

[yessongs72]

Afraid to say I agree with Oliastu in the other thread. My copy has piss poor sound with out of sync sound and vision from Mind Drive pt3 onwards. Before you ask I have an extremely good DVD and 5.1 surround system and all my other DVD's play fine.

As for the performance itself, yeah it's good, but the poor sound ruins it entirely.

It's yet another case of the final product not matching the expectation. It is utterly unacceptable to release poor quality copies when we have waited so damn long for this in the first place.

My copy's going straight in the bin.

Fed up and pissed off.

Sad to hear after Symphonic but after waiting so long this doesn't surprize me. Yes is really getting to it's all about $$$$$$ anyone want a copy of Yesspeak,another piece of crap.

If anyone wants a super concert DVD buy " The Eagle's Farewll 1 ,Melbourne"!Thirty songs almost three hours professionally produced. I have been watching it everyday for the last two weeks.

[Vic Anderson]

i can't believe you people you don't love yes enough

[Vic Anderson]

yes could do their most amazing thing now
and all you ppl will say it
hell it ain't close to the edge

[yessongs72]

yes could do their most amazing thing now
and all you ppl will say it
hell it ain't close to the edge

problem, they aren't doing their most amazing thing right now. Yeah.I am one in Yes's biggest fans and also critic. I call it like it is and don't sugar coat it,I'm a Trooper not a yeswest and still critisize the Classic Yes. That just the way it is,some would love Yes flushing a commode.

It's All About The Music!

[Rick N Backer]

i can't believe you people you don't love yes enough


What?!!!!
YES have been a part of my life for over 30 years. They are part of my life and part of me. So are my children. And like my children, occasionally they do things that piss me off or make me a bit unhappy. It doesn't stop me loving them though.

You have to be real about all this. Sometimes they don't hit the mark. If they don't, we comment, criticise and move on. Just like my kids.

Loving someone - or indeed a band like YES- does not mean you can't point out their faults occasionally.

Blindly accepting that whatever a band does is beyond criticism is a bit like The Emperor's New Clothes in my opinion.

[stevie]

problem, they aren't doing their most amazing thing right now. Yeah.I am one in Yes's biggest fans and also critic. I call it like it is and don't sugar coat it,I'm a Trooper not a yeswest and still critisize the Classic Yes. That just the way it is,some would love Yes flushing a commode.

It's All About The Music!

In all the time I've visited this site I don't think I've ever seen a positive post from you yessongs72. I always know what you're going to say before I even read it.

[YESYOUANDI]

What?!!!!
YES have been a part of my life for over 30 years. They are part of my life and part of me. So are my children. And like my children, occasionally they do things that piss me off or make me a bit unhappy. It doesn't stop me loving them though.

You have to be real about all this. Sometimes they don't hit the mark. If they don't, we comment, criticise and move on. Just like my kids.

Loving someone - or indeed a band like YES- does not mean you can't point out their faults occasionally.

Blindly accepting that whatever a band does is beyond criticism is a bit like The Emperor's New Clothes in my opinion.

Bang on old Bean---top hole---bloody well said.
Cheers fans

[gitsy]

Having watched the DVD just twice I would say I am happy with it. It’s not Symphonic
but possible their second best DVD. As for the sound I think it’s good, in fact the bass is loud and clear on my Bose system. I did here an interview with Steve Howe and he said he thought it looked good but was frustrated by the production on his guitar sound. Haven’t they heard of reverb or something like that he said.

[Vic Anderson]

what is the poin of criticizing the new dvd

you won't get a better one from the tour

you just turn people off to buy it

and its certainly worth havin eventhough it might not be perfect

i think there is more good than bad

yes need our support on all the fields if we wanna see more of them in whatever shape or form

i don't think critisizing them now makes a difference

cuz its this or nothing


peace

[Vic Anderson]

PS: learn to set up your surround system!!!!!

[Vic Anderson]

i think yes feel they don't have our support anymore

people trash their dvds and the last albums

they don't know what to do next being tierd of the negative rections

[Albedo]

It's a live concert, not a studio recording. Sure it won't sound perfect and it probably won't sound like Symphonic, but I can't wait until I get mine and unless it doesn't play at all I'm going to love it.

[True Believer]

what is the poin of criticizing the new dvd
you won't get a better one from the tour
you just turn people off to buy it
and its certainly worth havin eventhough it might not be perfect
i think there is more good than bad
yes need our support on all the fields if we wanna see more of them in whatever shape or form
i don't think critisizing them now makes a difference
cuz its this or nothing


peace
Right on Vic. Yesfans are so critical - just enjoy the music and be glad they're still around.

[Vic Anderson]

thank you
at least someone agrees :)

[Roan's Lady]

yes could do their most amazing thing now
and all you ppl will say it
hell it ain't close to the edge

And one could also say that Yes or its members could do crap, and "you ppl" will say it's fantastic.
I've seen both mentalities. Here's a thought. Listen and watch yourself, put away what Joe Yeshead said - who cares?? Form your own opinion. It's not wrong. And mine isn't, either. I agree with the sentiments of Rick N Backer and yessongs72. And True, it's my belief that being critical of music, especially that created by people whose craft we have admired so greatly, is not at all bad thing, and quite natural. Criticizing doesn't mean we are not glad they are around and we don't appreciate them. I don't think there has been one band that I love whom I haven't had criticisms of. In fact, any criticism of Yes (or any artist(s)) by their fans speaks to how much the music does matter.

[dead_groundhog]

Having watched the DVD just twice I would say I am happy with it. It’s not Symphonic
but possible their second best DVD.

That's good enough for me! :)

I'm not going to be picky. I think i'm going to side with vic, not so much on the fact we can't be critical, which of course we should be, but on the fact that we should support this band that we love. I hope everyone gets a copy. I know I will.

[YesJen357]

At risk of upsetting some of the folk who seem to want port-holes on their coffins...My copy arrived this morning. I do think it is the equal of 'Symphonic.' I am thoroughly satisfied....No I am 'blown away' by how good it is. I was at Madison Square Garden, 2 days before. This is the perfect souvenir of that magical trip to the US.
The sound is great. The colours of the stage are displayed brilliantly (something which often doesn't come through on TV) In all, it was well worth the wait! I want more of them.... Out of 10, it is an 11!

[Scooty]

And one could also say that Yes or its members could do crap, and "you ppl" will say it's fantastic.
I've seen both mentalities. Here's a thought. Listen and watch yourself, put away what Joe Yeshead said - who cares?? Form your own opinion. It's not wrong. And mine isn't, either. I agree with the sentiments of Rick N Backer and yessongs72. And True, it's my belief that being critical of music, especially that created by people whose craft we have admired so greatly, is not at all bad thing, and quite natural. Criticizing doesn't mean we are not glad they are around and we don't appreciate them. I don't think there has been one band that I love whom I haven't had criticisms of. In fact, any criticism of Yes (or any artist(s)) by their fans speaks to how much the music does matter.


Agreed Amy.
An opinion is just that...AN OPINION. Vic, you're a brother but you tend to overreact to people who don't praise every thing the boys do. Ill be the first one to acknowledge that I get overzealous in my diatribes about Drama or Chris for that matter, but its only my side of an opinion and I value everyone's take on all of it. Sh*t man, if we all agreed on everything, where would the fun be?? ;)

I have yet to see the DVD, Im very excited for when it comes out here in the states. I have zero judgement until then except Im over the moon to know that Ritual has been reinserted..that was the highlite of the show.......but that's just my opinion :sneaky:

Yes has been and always will be my favorite band, the debate is the fun part. Ask Matt, him and I can go back and forth for hours...or Timmo and I for that matter. it makes it interesting. If we, as fans, decide that ALL output by Yes is of The HIGHEST quality, then I think we should stop drinking the Kool-Aid. Even at their worst, they are still better than most...that says a lot.

[allpurechance]

I see both points,Scoot,lol

One the one hand I'd love all Yes output to be of especially high quality,and it obviously isn't always...

On the other hand,they could shoot the show on a handheld first generation camcorder and I'd love it,too!

Oh,I'm a hopeless fanboy,aren't I,LOL!

[Scooty]

On the other hand,they could shoot the show on a handheld first generation camcorder and I'd love it,too!


Of course, id buy it too! i'd biotch about it, but Id buy it..hell I own Big Generator don't I?? ;)

[allpurechance]

Of course, id buy it too! i'd biotch about it, but Id buy it..hell I own Big Generator don't I?? ;)

lmaooOOOOOOOOOo,Scoot!

You know,BG has kind of grown on me,albeit sometimes like a carbuncle,but,yeah,it's grown on me!

[raz]

i'm still waiting for my copy...
but i'll never know how it plays as my wife hates yes and i'm don't get to watch a whole show in one go at home....
I have to wait till she goes out and watch the shows in bits and pieces...
not the best way to evaluate a show...

[allpurechance]

i'm still waiting for my copy...
but i'll never know how it plays as my wife hates yes and i'm don't get to watch a whole show in one go at home....
I have to wait till she goes out and watch the shows in bits and pieces...
not the best way to evaluate a show...

Aw,raz,lol-

My Honey isn't the biggest Yesfreak,either(unlike her husband...)-but I get some time alone at home for good solid,choice viewing...!

I cannot wait for my copy to arrive-it's been bought and paid for through Amazon since...last November...!...

Frank

[Dr Yes]

I wouldn't mind, but I had the same problem with the utter dog turd that was the KTA video when released. I wouldn't mind again if Yesspeak was any good. I wouldn't mind if Philly 79 was any good. I wouldn't mind at all, but once again, poor production at the pressing stage has let the band down. I own dozens of DVD's and the Yes ones are the only ones that are crap sound. End of story.

It's very frustrating this isn't it?

A lot of people here are automatically ASSUMING that you (and me - for I have experienced the exact same problems with previous releases incl. KTA) are either:

1. defective of hearing
2. defective of equipment
3. making it up purely for the fun of it

WE'RE NOT!

It's true! Yes' management has a habit of allowing crappy production and poor quality control to wreck releases.

Remember:
If your copy is a good one, you are fortunate. The chances are there are many examples around which aren't.

I sympathise Rick n Backer. I know exactly what you mean.

Yours pissed off (and I haven't even entered the Tsongas lottery yet)

Dave.

[John Holden]

I got my copy on friday and watched it over the weekend.
Firstly of course I loved it ! its YES !! lol
The direction is adequate and tends at times to miss the close up you would really like - but that is just because we all know the music so well that you know when to focus in on a "typical" squire flourish or a scorching guitar run etc.

The sound is not fantastic and to my ears kinda isnt consistant.
Steve is generally low in the mix. The drums sound flat (in fact you hear the top end beter thru Jons mic ) The bass pedals sound good tho !!
I think the keyboards prob come across best which is a nice change and the infamous AYAI moog "skreetch" has magically been transformed into something so good they use it as the "menu music".
I have mixed feelings but I am more than happy to have this DVD and sometimes in a perverse way the "pristine" sound is not what you ever really get at a show anyway!

[Earl Grey]

Oh crap. Chris will not be pleased.

Still waiting for my copy.

I can't comment yet. I will.

Oh shyte.

[A Student of YES]

It is a crime just how bad the video equipment was back in the 70's! Too bad too this was the golden age for a lot of bands and the only footage of them is pretty crappy. I have to admit though I like watching this footage anyway. I have a weeded copy from some very generous people right here in Yesfans of Chris Squire doing his solo work and it looks like it has been dubbed over and over so many times from a bad video feed to begin with the image is washed out. It is hard to tell that it is Chris! But I am happy to have it unless someone gets some good footage from the concert tour this may be all there ever is. Most of my later DVD's seem to be fairly well done?? If you have a bad copy send it back or just buy another?

Randy

[Earl Grey]

How does it stand next to Symphonic.

As far as I'm concerned, Symphonic is the best so-far.

Other than the recording of Glasgow '77.

[True Believer]

Other than the recording of Glasgow '77.

Earl, I was at that show! Well, actually the following night, 8 November. I still remember it was a great show, all these years later.

[Symbol]

I am still waiting for my free copy I "won" at the Regal premiere.

Not holding my breath.

[Vic Anderson]

if i don't stand by them in every thing they do
because i love them so much who will?

don't you think they wanted this to be the best dvd they had
but some things didn't turn out right

would be better if we didn't get ritual at all

mind you it's not bad at all i think it's fantastic

i'll take a "bad" yes dvd over a lot of other bands

[Sweet Dreams]

With regards to the Tsongas Dvd.....

I really feel sorry for the people that have purchased a duff ( Faulty ) copy of this show.

I received my copy on Sat morning here in the UK, I watched it Sat night, and again last night.

The Dvd is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact I would go as far to say on par with Symphonic Live & House Of Blues.

The picture quality is Excellent!
The Sound quality Is Excellent!

I believe some of the close up shots of Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, and Chris Squire are IMO mind blowing.

As for Jon Anderson....... well what can you say about this man sent from Heaven to bless us with his wonderful voice!!

From the beginning of Going For The One.... to the end of Starship Trooper, you just live the dream, again this Dvd is AWESOME ! AWESOME ! AWESOME !

If you guys are waiting for your copy, believe me when I say this is WORTH waiting for.

I can only put it down to the fact that the other people have had faulty copies of this Dvd, and so my advice would be to take it back to the retailer and demand a change or full refund.

Enjoy the Dvd.

Cheers
Phil.

[Dr Yes]

Nice one Phil!

You've restored some of my confidence that good copies do exist.

And I say this as I eagerly clutch in my hand a copy of the offending show that has just turned up from Amazon. Anyone want to lay some odds on whether I've got a golden ticket or a pig in a poke?

Dear Amazon,

I have just taken receipt of Order No> blah blah blah for the Yes at Tsongos show. Much to my annoyance/delight (delete as applicable) it is brilliant/flawed/not working/broken/laughable and far better/worse/the same as the previous rubbish/wonderful Yes items I have bought from you before.

The sound quality, when played on my dog/all-singing all-dancing nerdy LinnSOndek PKU 120003456 with too many features anyway/home hi-fi/DVD/latest in sonic technoology from NASA sound system makes me feel that I am really there/like wretching at the though of wasting more money on Yes DVDs.

I was also particularly taken/delighted/smitten/pissed off with the range/lack of DVD extras, most of which I own already from previous free downloads from MSN.

The visual production of the DVD can only be described as awe inspiring/beavis and butthead inspired. on some occasions you could alomost marry up the words sung with the audio soound track provided.

I would be very grateful if you could see your way to refund my 235 plus postage plus 50 in extras to make it play on my system / give me a copy that doesn't sound like they're playing underwater / send me a new copy / accept my order for even more Yes releases - I mean I buy everything, every time it's released. So why not? Indeed, send me another copy of Tsongas and I'll use them as bookends.

Yours

D.

[Vic Anderson]

amen Sweet Dreams

[Yescelt]

Amstrad are a UK company, but most of their manufacturing is in Low-Cost countries. (Asia / East Europe).

Regards, Brian

Don't forget the mighty Amstrad :30:

[Yescelt]

...not "always".
Roundabout the time we invented the Television and the Telephone we were considered pretty good" :~)

Regards, Brian

The UK, has always had poor electronics production of all kinds ;)

[Joe]

With regards to the Tsongas Dvd.....

I really feel sorry for the people that have purchased a duff ( Faulty ) copy of this show.

I received my copy on Sat morning here in the UK, I watched it Sat night, and again last night.

The Dvd is AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!

In fact I would go as far to say on par with Symphonic Live & House Of Blues.

The picture quality is Excellent!
The Sound quality Is Excellent!

I believe some of the close up shots of Rick Wakeman, Steve Howe, and Chris Squire are IMO mind blowing.

As for Jon Anderson....... well what can you say about this man sent from Heaven to bless us with his wonderful voice!!

From the beginning of Going For The One.... to the end of Starship Trooper, you just live the dream, again this Dvd is AWESOME ! AWESOME ! AWESOME !

If you guys are waiting for your copy, believe me when I say this is WORTH waiting for.

I can only put it down to the fact that the other people have had faulty copies of this Dvd, and so my advice would be to take it back to the retailer and demand a change or full refund.

Enjoy the Dvd.

Cheers
Phil.
YES could take a dump on the DVD and I would still love it! For example: The Phily DVD.........terrible quality, but a peice of YES history....so....I love it! (But it is nice to have good quality) :crazy:

[steve4001]

Amstrad are a UK company, but most of their manufacturing is in Low-Cost countries. (Asia / East Europe).

Regards, Brian

Scotland is the home of some damn fine hi-fi manufacturers.

But, to return to the main topic, I now have a pre-release press issue of the Tsongas DVD to compare with my retail copy. The soundtrack issues do not appear to afflict the press version but do mar my retail copy. This sounds like it could be a simple quality control issue and therfore easily solved.

[jambo]

I feel sorry for the people who have a duff copy.

Maybe their was a bad batch of DVDs or somthing?

I think that becuase symphonic was so good, people are going to compare it to that.

Still its a new Yes DVD and I love it! epecally South side of the sky!

[Scooty]

if i don't stand by them in every thing they do
because i love them so much who will?

Huh?? Oh I see, we're not good Yesfans cause I don't believe every move the band has made is the best way they could have gone...gotcha'

would be better if we didn't get ritual at all

That's just blasphemy

[Vic Anderson]

i didn't mean it like that

It's just my opinion that many fans don't appreciate it enough anymore

It just the feeling i got

I hope i am wrong

[Vic Anderson]

i believe there were a lots of thing yes could have done better

but we might as well suport what they did than not support it

i mean come on this dvd is certainly worth the buy

so why won't we stick together and promote it insted of bashing it

[Scooty]

I have yet to bash it Mr. Vic

I havent even SEEN it, I don't plan on bashing it..

Besides, Ritual is on it....Im happy.

Don't generalize dude, plenty of folks will buy it.

[DREAMER]

Back to the original thread, I beg to differ - 'Songs From Tsongas' is fantastic !
Dont let anyone colour you perception, I was prepared for maybe a not so great DVD but I enjoyed it more than actually being there.

[Vic Anderson]

i sure hope so cuz it's amazing

i didn't mean you :) but people who say it sucks and its a waiste of money and they'd watch eagles insted

I mean come on

[JFM]

Well, I am almost all the way through it, and so far certainly no sound problems on my UK copy.

I think it's very well filmed and the mix is generally very good - occasionally Jon's vocals are a little low, and unusually the drums seem quieter than normal. But Rick can be heard very clearly. I don't really hear the usual clarity on Chris' bass this time round though - you can hear it but it does not cut through the way it should. These are just niggles rather than major dissapointments though.

But if there is one downside to the DVD it's in the general performance. It's not a bad performance but they have done far better. Jons's voice is not totally on form, especially during Rthym Of Love. And some of Ricks keyboard sounds are a little thin and weedy - but the great moog solo's make up for it. This is the danger of filming one single show - if it's a below par night you're stuck with it.

Did not think much of the Roger Dean bit - is that all there is? I thought I heard mention of behind the scenes stuff, tour diary etc.

So, not up there with Symphonic, but fairly close.

[Vic Anderson]

the rythm of love sounds wierd cuz jon is walking as he's singing :)

[stevie]

I got my copy today. I've just watched the first three songs so far and it looks good to me. I'll sit down later and watch the whole thing in one go. By the way it looks like being another top 10 place in UK. In WH Smith it was listed at #3 in the chart and in Woolworths #5.

[Sweet Dreams]

Told you all so!

It's AWESOME!!

It will get to No1 hopefully Stevie.

Cheers
Phil. :headset: :headset:


:1loudspkr

[remembering]

My copy arrived from Amazon today. I have a good DVD but an old and none too good TV. On my copy both the sound and vision are excellent. It looks and sounds as if I were back at the concert (but only a damn site closer).

Reading what has been posted here I was pretty worried when I first put it on after waiting so long to get it

So what I would say to those out there who have got a duff copy is to take/send it back and get another. Perhaps it was production issues that kept delaying the release - After all it could not have been the 'fancy graphics' surrounding each song title

[Vic Anderson]

amazon sale rank today is 56

i think its great

[stevie]

I watched the whole thing last night. I loved it! If you buy it expecting to see another Symphonic you may be dissapointed. But wouldn't it be a boring if every Yes DVD was the same. To me this one looks and sounds quite different to Symphonic but I love them both.

Some of the higlights for me are Mind Drive is excellent, Jon can be seen sneaking a look at his monitor making sure he's got the words right. This isn't a criticism I like the guy all the more for his little quirks. South Side Of The Sky is stunning, Rick and Steve's fingers are almost a blur at one point. And who is the hot babe in the crowd rocking out during this song. I disagree with one or two people who have said they didn't rate Every Little Thing. I think its's excellent. I laughed out loud during Wurm when Chris walked up behind Steve and smiled. The acoustic set is amusing the guys seem to be getting on very well Why can't they be like that all the time. Yup I love this DVD.

One other point. What about those US wimps in the audience LOL. At the start of the show they're on their feet dancing and punching the air. Towards the end they look knackered. And there are those 5 Englishmen in their mid to late 50's still going strong after nearly 3 hours. You US boys and girls just don't have the stamina. Only joking you guys it does look a bit of a steam bath towards the end. But it just goes to prove what true pro's the Yes guys are.

[Mostly Harmless]

One other point. What about those US wimps in the audience LOL. At the start of the show they're on their feet dancing and punching the air. Towards the end they look knackered.


I was on my feet, dancing throughout the whole show. During the intermission, I was stopped by someone I had never met before who had noticed me in the front row dancing. He said to me, "I saw you down front, you're having more fun than anyone in this place!" He was right. I had to slam 2 liters of water during the intermisssion. It was REALLY, REALLY HOT.

[Sweet Dreams]

I'll go along with your comments Stevie, I'm glad you enjoyed it mate.

Mind Drive is mind blowing but what did you think of Ritual?

Did it Kick, or did it Kick !!!!!!!!!! AWESOME.

Yes it may get a 3rd viewing tonight, you've wet my appetite :1loudspkr


Cheers
Phil.

[Vic Anderson]

thnak god you people r with me liking it :)

[Sweet Dreams]

We YES Brothers have to stick together Vic !!

Message to the people with duff Copies....

TAKE THEM BACK AND DEMAND AN EXCHANGE OR FULL REFUND.

Cheers
Phil.

[Internaut]

I'm looking forward to the Tsongas release here in the US.

"Duff copies" are a pain, but a reality in the real world. I had to go through 4 copies of Union before I got a copy that played all the way through... I had a similar experience in the 70's with the Living in the Past LP... what a pain to keep going back to the store, but in the end the products turned out to be pretty good... There have been a handful of others (audio or video) over the years that had to be returned just once for another good copy.

Having been at the Tsongas show, and having a copy of the PBS show, I know I am going to enjoy the DVD when it arrives, and if it has a problem, I'll return it to the store. There's a couple of stores near the office that will carry it, so I'll do business with them instead of guys like Amazn, just for the sake of making an easy return, should that become necessary

[Dr Yes]

Played mine last night and I reckon it's afflicated with the same problems others have experienced. The sound varies between great at one point to flat and woofy elsewhere and a weird kind of compression that removes all the dynamics. I didn't notice anything concerning lip syncs (mind you that was probably the result of the fine wine) and the overall picture quality was good. The performances were good too. It is just the sound quality. I am sorry to say it but my copy is about on a par with a very good bootleg rather than the pristine, super hi-fi beast it should be.

But I've still bought it, so Yes and all its most fervent "I'll buy anything, even though it's sh1te fanatics" can rest easy that I am not undermining the whole support the band vibe. Right, what's next? Ah, I see Anderson is tempting me with a rendition of the Ying Tong Song by Spike Milligan. Who said their standards were falling?

[InverYes]

Ah, I see Anderson is tempting me with a rendition of the Ying Tong Song by Spike Milligan.


Dang!! I knew I recognised that voice from somewhere.

[Yescelt]

In case you haven't got it yet woolworths have it at £11.99

http://www.woolworths.co.uk/wwstore/product.jhtml?product=50349282&op=details

They ship from Jersey, so you avoid VAT if the value of the shipment is under £18.

Regards, Brian

[Dr Yes]

In case you haven't got it yet woolworths have it at £11.99
Regards, Brian

Thanks for the heads up Brian.

But bugger, blast and bollox! Wish I'd waited now. And my 20 quid copy is about as convincing as John Redwood singing the Welsh national anthem.

[prem895]

There are so many weeds up for grabs. Some so so and alot right from the soundboard.[most have better sound sound than Yessongs. Search these out. The whole 2004 tour is available,and most are soundboard

[AwakeMan]

After all I've read above about this DVD I think I'll suspend buying it for the moment until these problems are hopefully ironed out. Pity, I was so looking forward to it.

[Vic Anderson]

you should get it man decide for yourself

[Captain Squib]

I get my DVDs from CD Xpress through the mail. All the Yes DVDs they've sent me have been top quality sound & picture.

In the UK their phone number is 0191 233 0991. I hope I haven't done anything illegal giving that no. They should have the Remedy DVD as well.

[YesJen357]

For goodness sake, AwakeMan, do not take any notice of the 'prophets of doom' who think the DVD is a flop.
It is easily the equal of 'Symphonic.' I feel that, in terms of colour and stage presence, it is more impressive again. It is a brilliant DVD. The only thing wrong with it is the time it took to finally get released, - and even then, the wait was worth it.

[neilius]

Thats encouraging Yesjen357, Im buying mine tommorow

[spock]

Since there are so many totally different opinions on the sound of this dvd, I guess it comes down to this : those who play it in pure stereo-mode will find the dvd OK soundwise, those however ( like myself ) who play it in 7.1 or 5.1 or in DTS will not be pleased because the main sound comes from the front and the back-speaker almost won't give an itch or have a bad delay .

[Sweet Dreams]

YesJen357...........100% correct !!

BUY THE DVD NOW you people.

[ghostlydragon]

hiya! my dvd is out of sync too :( i have a good dvd player/surround sound system and it still don't work. really dissapointed

[Dr Yes]

For goodness sake, AwakeMan, do not take any notice of the 'prophets of doom' who think the DVD is a flop.


No one seems to be saying the DVD is a flop (I wish people would actually read the posts properly before condemning others' views). Some of us have dud copies and have experienced this before with other Yes releases. Maybe it's a UK problem only (surprise, surprise), but there are seemingly a lot of sh1t copies floating around. I've got DVDs of loads of other bands - no problems. I've got unofficial copies of Yes from the last tour that sound better. No one is being a 'prophet of doom'. We're disappointed to have forked out money for a dud copy.

Right, I am off to write a letter to Amazon to sort out an exchange on mine coz it's rubbish - unless of course you'd like to do a straight swap with me YesJen357? As you obviously think I, and others, are making it up. ;)

Doc.

[Yescelt]

Yes, you are right, Dr.
I think a lot of the negativity stems from the subject Heading. "Another crap Yes DVD..."


Regards, Brian

No one seems to be saying the DVD is a flop (I wish people would actually read the posts properly before condemning others' views). Some of us have dud copies and have experienced this before with other Yes releases. Maybe it's a UK problem only (surprise, surprise), but there are seemingly a lot of sh1t copies floating around. .

[fovman]

bad sound problem?.......check your audio selection before playing.
5.1 or stereo

[YesJen357]

Thank you Dr, for your assumption that you know exactly what I think!
If you bother to read much of the criticism, it concerns people's ideas of sound, camera angles, and even the supposed 'energy levels of the band. It is to these folk I unashamably use the term 'prophets of doom.'
I have been stunned by these critics, and they do nothing to help the sales of a wonderful dvd either.
As for dud DVD's I have never doubted anyone on that; I just can't understand why in some cases, the Band, Management or anyone other than the manufacturers should come under scrutiny on this forum for it.
I am gradually coming to understand the concept that some folk are never satisfied, no matter what....But what I really have trouble with, is that "another crap DVD" might actually mean "don't buy it" when for goodness sake, take the rotten thing back for another copy! What is so hard about that? Thankfully there are enough posts to indicate that not every copy is a dud.
Why can't we have a thread which says "the dud dvd manufacturer is making my beloved Band look bad with my dud copy?"

[Mostly Harmless]

Why can't we have a thread which says "the dud dvd manufacturer is making my beloved Band look bad with my dud copy?"


I agree, this seems to be a more suitable title.

The reports of dud copies have not "scared me off"; I'm still very anxious for the US release

[Dr Yes]

Thank you Dr, for your assumption that you know exactly what I think!

Let's not get into the 'you don't know what I think' nonsense. That gets very tedious, very quickly. Actually, it's not an assumption; I've been following this very closely and beg to differ. The person who put up the thread originally (Rick N Backer) didn't mention anything about performance levels, subjective opiniuon on sound or camera angles. His beef pure ans simple, and the point of the thread, was soley with sound quality and the inference that this is too common with a Yes release:

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Another crap Yes DVD.......
Afraid to say I agree with Oliastu in the other thread. My copy has piss poor sound with out of sync sound and vision from Mind Drive pt3 onwards. Before you ask I have an extremely good DVD and 5.1 surround system and all my other DVD's play fine.

As for the performance itself, yeah it's good, but the poor sound ruins it entirely.

It's yet another case of the final product not matching the expectation. It is utterly unacceptable to release poor quality copies when we have waited so damn long for this in the first place.

My copy's going straight in the bin.

Fed up and pissed off.
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For the record out of 112 posts in this thread, 37 or so deal directly with sound quality problems and issues with the DVD itself, a further five are from those who think our equipment/ears are at fault and about ten are from Vic waxing lyrical about the band and imploring us to support them at all costs.

From what I can see there are maybe only two or three posts that deal with what you claim constitutes the vast bulk of this thread (ie the subjective nature of people's idea of sound, camera angles and even the performance of tha band).

In post #32 Rick N Backer says the performance is lacklustre compared with what he saw live, but the main thrust of the post is still the sound quality. Then in post #84 one of those with a good copy (JFM) is critical of the performance levels.

But the thrust of this thread is the production and the fact that Yes has a habit of allowing dud copies onto the market. And I disagree with the idea that the band and management should not shoulder all the blame. If the quality was poor THEY should have insisted it was rectified in the first place, not the customer. If they don't it is negligence on their part. It's their product - the manufacturer isn't the fall guy.

Maybe we are over critical, true. But only to the degree that if I buy something of marketable quality released by Rush, Dream Theater or whoever, I expect the same level of professionalism and production from each. I expect a pro product. Whether you agree or not, this isn't a strong point for Yes, its management or whoever.

Whether the title "Another crap Yes DVD" is misplaced or not, there seems to be a large minority here who feel that Yes has had a habit of making poor decisions during its history - and more so in the last decade or so. These affect poor choices over ticket sales (and supposed premium seats) and poor decisions over marketing new albums to name but two. Then there is the endless reselling of Yes' old catelogue with maybe one or two 'new' versions of songs that is pretty pathetic in terms of it just being a way to leverage more money from its fans.

Now, surely on a Yes forum (which incidentally means 'a public meeting place for open discussion') this IS EXACTLY where we discuss issues such as those mentioned AND also warn people of the possible pitfalls of buying 'Yes - The Golden Years' - a new DVD highlighting the best of Yes from the 70s, including And You And I, Roundabout and Yours Is No Disgrace from the House of Blues and also showing exclusive never seen before footage of Jon Anderson rehearsing the Ying Tong Song and Rick Wakeman rambling on about curry.

[AwakeMan]

Despite all the discussion I've taken the plunge at lunch-time today and bought it - HMV in Dublin seem to have just received a new batch. I'll report tomorrow on my findings !

[Dr Yes]

Despite all the discussion I've taken the plunge at lunch-time today and bought it - HMV in Dublin seem to have just received a new batch. I'll report tomorrow on my findings !

Good for you. As I've already said, it looks visually stunning and the general vibe is great (better than Sypmhonic IMHO).

[Rick N Backer]

Well since it was me who started all this I'll make a comment on the thread title "Another crap Yes DVD"

The first copy I bought was crap. It played crap. It was crap. My system isn't crap. My eyes and ears are not crap. It wasn't the first crap Yes DVD I've bought, so it's 'another crap Yes DVD.' Play semantics as much as you like.

The performance is so-so in my opinion. The shows I saw in London and Birmingham I thought were better, but it was a year ago and my memory may be playing tricks on me. The show I saw in Devon was vastly different form the indoor shows. Perhaps Yes could have filmed more shows and picked the best, but no doubt, as usual, money was tight and the record company under-invested so we got this. As a band, Yes members do not (unless anyone knows otherwise for a fact) get intimately involved with post-production of their DVD's. OK, so Chris Squire apparently lobbied for Ritual on this release, but that's not the same thing. Compare and contrast Rush in Rio and Led Zeppelin 'DVD' both of which were DRIVEN by band members from beginning to end. The result? Brilliant DVD's from them, and not so brilliant ones from Yes. Unless the band get totally involved, quality problems abound. It is utterly UNFORGIVEABLE that an official Yes DVD spells Wonderous Stories "WONDROUS Stories" and Starship Trooper "Starship TROUPER." Have a look next time you play it. Yeah, this is a minor point, but the quality control is missing. End of.

What irks me a little is the contention from some contributers that anything Yes release is worthy of being bought, good bad or ugly, and that we owe Yes a favour by buying their product. I don't think we do owe them a favour and it certainly isn't my goal to put money into their bank accounts because I feel sorry for their mismanaged finances over their career. If anything they owe us a bloody great big continent-sized favour for continually turning up over the years and also enduring some pretty flimsy releases.

I have bought every major release this band has put on the market, and have also bought rare singles and albums for my own collection. I have avoided the endless fringe compilations, not because I don't want to 'support the band' but because in my opinion, they're rubbish.

If others here want to waste their hard earned money buying sh!t because it has YES on the front, good luck to them, but don't try and tell me that those of us who don't are 'prophets of doom' because we criticise, or are any less fans than anyone else.

Dr. Yes, I echo your comments.

[Roan's Lady]

Unless the band get totally involved, quality problems abound. It is utterly UNFORGIVEABLE that an official Yes DVD spells Wonderous Stories "WONDROUS Stories" and Starship Trooper "Starship TROUPER." Have a look next time you play it. Yeah, this is a minor point, but the quality control is missing. End of.

What irks me a little is the contention from some contributers that anything Yes release is worthy of being bought, good bad or ugly, and that we owe Yes a favour by buying their product. I don't think we do owe them a favour and it certainly isn't my goal to put money into their bank accounts because I feel sorry for their mismanaged finances over their career. If anything they owe us a bloody great big continent-sized favour for continually turning up over the years and also enduring some pretty flimsy releases.

I have bought every major release this band has put on the market, and have also bought rare singles and albums for my own collection. I have avoided the endless fringe compilations, not because I don't want to 'support the band' but because in my opinion, they're rubbish.

If others here want to waste their hard earned money buying sh!t because it has YES on the front, good luck to them, but don't try and tell me that those of us who don't are 'prophets of doom' because we criticise, or are any less fans than anyone else.



Great points made, Rick. I am in total agreement.

[InverYes]

The Producer and Director is someone called Joe Thomas. Maybe a few well aimed emails would get a message across?

[ghostlydragon]

sorted it out! tried it in stereo and dts they are both fine! but 5.1 is definitely a no go area! dissappointment has gone

[gt76yesman]

...not "always".
Roundabout the time we invented the Television and the Telephone we were considered pretty good" :~)

Regards, Brian
And all this time I thought the Russians invented TV and the telephone......

[Sweet Dreams]

Rick N Backer,

I noticed the spelling errors too, not 1st time of watching it thou.

I agree this seems to be very " slap dash " on someones part??

But hand on heart mate, I think the DVD is no where as bad as you make out.

Have you thought about exchanging your copy for another one?

Go on give it a second go, what have you got to lose?

Cheers
Phil. :headset:

[bevan2004]

Unless the band get totally involved, quality problems abound. It is utterly UNFORGIVEABLE that an official Yes DVD spells Wonderous Stories "WONDROUS Stories" and Starship Trooper "Starship TROUPER."

Totally Agree!!

But I am struggling to see how you expect the Band or any of its representatives in the project to watch and Quality Control pass every single DVD produced. I take your point about other poor issues in the past but I am sure that every band/movie/game suffers from the same.

Manufacturing often has mishaps, that's why we have QC and consumer rights - I could go on and write War and Peace about my last car but I am hardly blaming the designer!

I am sorry you got a dud copy and I'm sorry you thought the performance wasn't up to London or Birmingham but a band that hardly has the support of the masses any more cannot afford to take a camera crew to every location to ensure the very best is captured - some would say that is what studios are for!

Agree that views should be expressed in a FORUM but to label it crap before establishing whether its your copy or not I feel is a bit premature.

Let people make their own minds up to buy or not.

[Rick N Backer]

Rick N Backer,

I noticed the spelling errors too, not 1st time of watching it thou.

I agree this seems to be very " slap dash " on someones part??

But hand on heart mate, I think the DVD is no where as bad as you make out.

Have you thought about exchanging your copy for another one?

Go on give it a second go, what have you got to lose?

Cheers
Phil. :headset:

Sweet Dreams,

I exchanged it the next day and my new copy plays fine. I've watched it all the way through, and just for you, my blow by blow critique....

GfTO.....shrill
Sweet Dreams.....awkward. Robo drums too Spinal Tap
ISAGP....no, no not again. Anyhting but this
Mind Drive....if it's worth playing live in the first place, why butcher it?
SSoTS.....fantastic. Much more like it
TotC......Nice
My Eyes/Mind Drive....see above comment for Mind Drive. My Eyes? Why bother?
YiND......sublime. Perfection in a Yessong
The Meeting.....Wakey's got a bit too twiddly, but OK
Acoustic segment.....now this is more like it. Some real daring and change. More of this sort of thing please guys. All of it worked for me including Owner
Second Initial....Makes a change!
Rhythm of love........either do an acoustic version like Owner, or leave it alone. Howe's style doesn't suit Rabin songs and vice versa
AYAI......seen it so many times before, but never tire of it. Fantastic
Ritual.......a bit pedestrian compared to the ones I saw later in the tour. Bass way too low.
ELT.........cool intro. Like the arrangement
Starship Trooper (Trouper? Not sure now!)..........hmmmmmm. Not sure yet.

See, I'm not all doom and gloom. 6/10 overall, which is better than the 1/10 I'd give for that pile of sh!te Yesspeak. If any other band needs lessons in how not to do it, look no further.


RnB

[Rick N Backer]

T

Agree that views should be expressed in a FORUM but to label it crap before establishing whether its your copy or not I feel is a bit premature.




Sorry, thought I'd covered this. My COPY was crap.

[Nes]

I don't know if this has been asked before, but did they overdub all the mistakes in the show? Just wanna know if they keys'd it...

[Sweet Dreams]

Thanks Rick N Backer,

I appreciate your comments, although I agree with some, not all thou.

I thought YIND..... there were times if you watch really close Jon's mouth moves out of time with some worrds.

IMO this is the worst one, but Disc 2 is 100% perfect. NO complaints at all, and so I rate the DVD as stated before.

Look forward to meeting you some time maybe??

Cheers
Phil.

[Sweet Dreams]

Nes,

IMO yes they did, thats why the DVD took so long to come out.

By the way my friend........ HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

Wish I was 16 again :party3:

Cheers
Phil.

[Nes]

Thanks a lot :-D

[Vic Anderson]

Rick N Backer
i wish you'd never listen to yes again
and find perfection in another band
why bother with all the bashing
this is not an opinion but just disrespect

and when you have a band 35 years old you do better

[bevan2004]

Nes,

By the way my friend........ HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

Wish I was 16 again :party3:

Cheers
Phil.

Second that Phil - perhaps a different thread? but then again I think enough has been said on this one.

Rich

[Vic Anderson]

yesspeak is not a pile of crap it is what it is yes members speak
and the show in 5.1 certainly is worth the buy

[Sweet Dreams]

Ok Chaps, this is going a bit too far now IMO.

I think you should agree to Differ?

Hi Rich, hope your well mate. Remember...we WERE there mate !!!

What a night

:theband: :rightG:


Steve Howe ...AWESOME

Cheers
Phil.

[neilius]

I've got it!!!!!! I love it

[Rick N Backer]

Rick N Backer
i wish you'd never listen to yes again
and find perfection in another band
why bother with all the bashing
this is not an opinion but just disrespect

and when you have a band 35 years old you do better

Oh deary me you are a tad upset aren't you? Trouble is, you seem to be a bit lost between being a fan and a raving sycophant. Yes are about as perfect as any band can be, but it doesn't make them immortal.

As far as 'all the bashing' goes, my only 'crime' is to suggest that their DVD quality control is lacking, and it's not the first time.

Erm, it IS an opinion, and if you care to read my posts you'll find they're quite balanced. What they are not, however, is blind and unstilting praise, especially where it isn't (in my opinion) deserved. Read my critique above and you'll see what my view on the DVD is.

I couldn't have a band for 35 years because other than strumming a guitar a bit, I don't play any instruments. However, that's not my job. It IS however, their job, and if they want people (or is it ppl?) to part with hard earned cash (and trust me, mine IS hard earned) then the very least they can do is get the pissing thing right.

If you want to trade insults I can do that all day. Please don't get me started.

Learn to use your keyboard controls more effectively and try to string a cogent argument together please.

Ta!

RnB

[Rick N Backer]

yesspeak is not a pile of crap it is what it is yes members speak
and the show in 5.1 certainly is worth the buy you big headed bass player

PS go to the counter find the pins and extract your liver

I neither have a big head, nor do I play the bass guitar. Yesspeak IS a pile of crap. It is a poorly put together DVD and is a rip off. Roger Daltry's narration is feeble and it certainly is NOT worth the money for an audio only segment. If it was that good, why not release it as a CD on its own instead?

I can do this all day if you like.

[Vic Anderson]

peace man

sorry

i go overboard sometime just cuz i love them too much

and I think nowadays they should be appreciated more

peace? :)

[Rick N Backer]

peace man

sorry

i go overboard sometime just cuz i love them too much

and I think nowadays they should be appreciated more

peace? :)


Accepted without offence taken. I don't want to get into an "I'm a bigger fan that you are " argument, but 10 years before you were born this band became an important part of my life and whilst they have been ever since, I've never allowed them to reduce my own grip on reality.

RNB

[Vic Anderson]

:) it's ok reality is overrated and surely you know subjective

but the amount of years you were a fan is irrelevat :)
i am glad you bought the dvd even if you think its bad :)

we are all big fans :)

again sorry

[YesJen357]

Phew.... After reading all the above, I'm more glad than ever that I can enjoy, take delight, comfort and consolation in my all-time favorite band and their wonderful music without having to find fault. life isn't perfect, no matter where I look. I intend to always see good, where possible. And I see much to be grateful for in Yes music, and this DVD.
Please, anyone reading all these posts, - do not be put off. Go out and buy the DVD. Make up your own mind and then if, God forbid, you are unlucky to get a dud copy; you have the confidence that you can return it for a non-faulty copy.
Long live YES!

[AwakeMan]

Good for you. As I've already said, it looks visually stunning and the general vibe is great (better than Sypmhonic IMHO).

Just to say I watched most of my copy last night and it's not one of the "dud" ones - all lips are in sync with the singing. Visually it's stunning, I think. As regards the sound, it's a bit trebly and could have more depth, but I don't notice any distortion (in 2-channel stereo anyway). It doesn't quite capture the sheer sweep and power of the live arena experience, but then I wouldn't expect that anyway. There is a sense at times that the sound is disembodied from the film, and obviously there was post-production, but I expect that's common to most music videos nowadays. I should mention here I'm no expert on sound technology !

As Dr Yes and others mention, there's no doubting the sincerity of the performances. On repeated listening I could do without Jon's in-between song comments, they make me cringe a bit - but that's just my own personal feeling.

All in all I'm very pleased and glad I bought this DVD - it serves as a great memento for anyone who saw this special tour.

Séamus.

[Dr Yes]

Just to say I watched most of my copy last night and it's not one of the "dud" ones - all lips are in sync with the singing. Visually it's stunning, I think. As regards the sound, it's a bit trebly and could have more depth, but I don't notice any distortion (in 2-channel stereo anyway). It doesn't quite capture the sheer sweep and power of the live arena experience, but then I wouldn't expect that anyway. There is a sense at times that the sound is disembodied from the film, and obviously there was post-production, but I expect that's common to most music videos nowadays. I should mention here I'm no expert on sound technology !

As Dr Yes and others mention, there's no doubting the sincerity of the performances. On repeated listening I could do without Jon's in-between song comments, they make me cringe a bit - but that's just my own personal feeling.

All in all I'm very pleased and glad I bought this DVD - it serves as a great memento for anyone who saw this special tour.

Séamus.

Nice one Séamus. Thanks for the encouraging feedback. My 'dud' is being sorted. I agree: it does indeed serve as a good memento of a special tour.

[InverYes]

How would anyone compare it to the Lugano DVD ?

[Vic Anderson]

complementary :)

[yessongs72]

Faulty DVD'S from Yes are we not accustomed to this by now. Hey if they "Yes" can't have a show without bad sound for thirty minutes how in the hell do we expect a 5 star DVD?

We are fortunate having Symphonic and HOB, with Syphonic the best. The rest are crap. 1973 they screwed us with Yessongs, the came Philly 79 thats two shows incomplete.

Hey, if anyone is a Eagles fan I highly recommend; The Eagles Farewell 1 LIve From Melbourne. Almost three hours of music, sound in DTS perfect and superb camera action. They also played tight as hell, so if you even just sorta listened to The Eagles over the years buy it. This DVD will definately show you how talented these guys are and how hard they work for perfection. Yes needs to watch this for pointers.

[Vic Anderson]

oh boy

[stevie]

I've watched it 3 times now and each time it get better. I love it!

Just buy it folks and decide for yourself.

[PrimeMover]

Yes, a little more dephts to the sound wouldn't hurt. The middle section of Ritual is to messy for my taste. Otherwise it's okay. It will probably grow on me..

[yessongs72]

I've watched it 3 times now and each time it get better. I love it!

Just buy it folks and decide for yourself.

I would but they "Yes" are too ignorant for releasing their DVD'S universally.I also am not holding my breathe for an August release in the U.S.

[orsonwellz]

...I'm afarid I totally disagree with the contributor to this thread who says we should be grateful for it being released in the first place. I'm seldom grateful to be on the receiving end of something substandard if I've paid good money for it. No, I don't need my eyes or ears looking at. They're tested frequently anyway and I have no problems. Neither do I play music or DVD's on cheap crappy systems. What I have are good quality (mainly British) components that do not cause problems with other discs.


Just a quick comment here - I'll save my proper rants and raves for the day when we Yanks finally get our crack at this elusive DVD.

Regarding Rick N Backer's comment above on the quality issue, I am in complete accord. This "here-it-is, no-it-isn't" routine that we've all been subjected to for many, many months now is not a proper way to do business. I don't know who precisely is responsible for all of this, of course, and I don't care. Whatever the particulars of the backstory may be, it's an insult to us fans, and its a black mark on the records of everyone on the production/distribution side of the equation.

Having said all that, my main point here is to echo Rick's sentiment that, delays or no delays, there's never an excuse for a substandard product. We shouldn't be willing to settle for whatever they decide to toss us. Yesfans must be among the most faithful and enthusiastic group adherents in all of music. And yet we still are subjected to one screw-up after another, each adopting an amusingly different form and accompanied by a fresh set of excuses: the Philadelphia show, Keys, HOB, Tsongas..."we never meant to release that one"..."must've been a reproduction problem"..."it's PBS's fault." And we just grin and bear it, happily ingesting whatever and whenever the powers that be deign to feed us. As ever, we get what we deserve.

Look, we know Yes DVDs can be done the proper way. Symphonic and YesAcoustic demonstrate that. After all the delays, there's just no excuse for Tongas having even a minimal number of problems. I'm familiar with the disc duplication process, working as I do for a company that produces commercial DVDs. As you might suspect, there are myriad checks along the entire process, all in the name of quality assurance. That is, IF you take the time and trouble to utilize those checks. Otherwise, it's the old "crap-in, crap-out" equation.

I'll buy the damn disc when it finally becomes available on this side of the pond. And if the stars are with me, I'll get a good one (those stars were not with me on the HOB problem, by the way). But I'll never resort to being thankful for the opportunity to drop my hard earned cash on a substandard product. My mama didn't raise no dummy.


ps: Hey, Yes. Want to get your next DVD done right? Find out who is responsible for getting "Concert For George," "Led Zeppelin," or "Old Friends" on our local shelves and pay those people whatever they ask to do exactly the same sort of thing for you. Case closed.

[Vic Anderson]

one simeple fact

if this show wasn't to make it on dvd because of the bad performance
we would have got nothing from the 35 th tour whatsoever
will you be happy then ?

i know a lot of fans won't

[Rick N Backer]

Just a quick comment here - I'll save my proper rants and raves for the day when we Yanks finally get our crack at this elusive DVD.

Regarding Rick N Backer's comment above on the quality issue, I am in complete accord.

ps: Hey, Yes. Want to get your next DVD done right? Find out who is responsible for getting "Concert For George," "Led Zeppelin," or "Old Friends" on our local shelves and pay those people whatever they ask to do exactly the same sort of thing for you. Case closed.


Thanks!

If they wanted to get it right it would cost big money and they don't have it. It seems that some Yes DVD's are produced by TV companies and suffer as a result. The good ones seem to be 'home made.'

BTW, I'm also disappointed with the 'extras' namely a few soundbites and images of RD with a paintbrush. Yawwwwwn! What happened to the 'behind the scenes' tour documentary?'

[Rick N Backer]

Oops, just re-drew my sig file. It's come out worse than I expected. A bit like Tsongas! ha ha!

[Vic Anderson]

oh boy

[va2502]

i dont really know what happen to Chris's bass sound in this concert?????????

[spock]

Find out who is responsible for getting "Concert For George," "Led Zeppelin," or "Old Friends" on our local shelves and pay those people whatever they ask to do exactly the same sort of thing for you. Case closed.[/QUOTE]

Hey ho, smak on the button.
Got a stack of 367 dvd's here in my collection with about 60 music dvd's and I concur with above remarks.
Those guys who taped ,mixed,produced etc...things like Symphonic,Peter Gabriels Growin' up tour, Waters In the flesh, Concert for George, Bowie's Reality tour....that's what Yes is needing.
I am even surprised that this Tsongas dvd is coming from Warner Music.
I should suppose that those guys have enough expierence to know a good product from a bad one.
Last night I run the dvd throught my player for a friend of mine ( we both saw the actual show ), he gave immediately the same comments...as they were : " where are the dynamics ? where is the bass ? all the sound in DTS and DD comes mostly from the front !! and if there are some noises in the background ...they have a nasty delay.
Hell, even Ricks Journey dvd is better, and that one was taped in 1975 ( he must be laughing ). and hell even the Union concert which I downloaded in mpeg format has enourmous dynamics ( which I frankly didn't expected ).
By the way.......Rick's site informed me...that he wasn't involved at all....which can be...but which also shows how much they seem to care.

[Grover]

I am confused at how some 'duff' copies can exist in a way that causes synch problems. Generally, with digital sources, if you have production errors that error coorection cannot handle, you get clicks, or video noise or the machine won't play it, but you shouldn't get timing or volume changes.

[Grover]

I have seen Rush cited at leats twice as an example of a well produced DVD. I guess those who cited them were not on the Rush boards when Rush in Rio was released. There were complaints about some of the video shots and choices, and especially about the sound. I am in the cam that feels the sound is unlistenable in 5.1 because there is an artificial delay from the surround speakers and it is too loud and distracting. Arguments went on for months on the Rush boards about these issues.... and this followed months of arguments about the terribloe sound and digital clipping on their latest studio album.

I still don't have the ultimate Yes DVD, but am pretty happy with House of Blues, Symphonic, and enjoy Keys. I could go on about what I would change in each, but I'll leave that for another time.

[Philly112]

Have just played my Tsongas copy, and frankly don't see what all the fuss is about (quality control issues aside)

It's fine guys - knocks Rush in Rio into a cocked hat sound wise, both in stereo and surround (I actually prefer the DD to the DTS on Tsongas)

To my ears Chris Squire's bass actually sounded like that on the UK tour ie a bit overblown, slightly distorted.

There are a couple of dodgy performance moments - I bet they don't do another Beatles track! And I will accept that Steve's guitar was too low in the mix.
But, hey, as a representation of the concert, I think it has far more energy than Symphonic in some ways (although not so many babes on the stage).
Would have liked to have seen some more crowd shots actually, as the camera mainly pans from the rear, so not too many face shots (apart from the walkabout of course)

In fact the worst things about the DVD are the poor extras, and the cringe making parts of a Yes performance which make me cover my eyes (Chris Squire should not be allowed to do that silly walk in ST, ever, ever again, and someone has to tell Rick that he hasn't got to play every note on the bloody keyboard on EVERY song. And if anyone says those Spinal Tap drums look anything other than ridiculous...)
But that's Yes I guess.
So if you liked the tour, just go get it. It really is pretty good.

Phil

PS Haven't posted on here for over a year, but I'm still reading honestly! Hi to Trevor Walker if he ever reads this.

[Teacher travelling]

I was a bit nervous putting it on when it was delivered after reading some of the comments here, but ...........

It's a really good DVD - great picture, pretty good sound (though not as clear as Symphonic, which is one of the best music DVDs of any band I've seen) - it doesn't quite capture the full emotion in some parts (a bit flat), but if anything overall sounds quite faithful to the live sound.

No problems on my stereo sound either - is it only the surround that has problems? On the other hand, if there is some delay on the sound, that would come quite close to capturing the Birmingham NEC experience anyway!

I've really been looking forward to this and it's a great souvenir of a great tour. Extras? We've got a whole bloody double DVD of extras called "Yesspeak". Now finally we've got a real concert.

They do look a bit tired (heat / end of tour) - they were much more animated when I saw them - but even so, what a show! Don't doubt - Get the DVD.

[brotherofmine]

I've really been looking forward to this and it's a great souvenir of a great tour. Extras? We've got a whole bloody double DVD of extras called "Yesspeak". Now finally we've got a real concert.

Good point Teacher travelling. Welcome to the site. I was at NEC last year..a great concert. Are you going to see Jon?
http://www.yesfans.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21042

[Andy56]

Just sat through my copy for the first time - great stuff - no sound problems and very grateful that there are no stupid post production 'visual additives' like Keys.
If you haven't got it yet - go and get it soon - SSOTS is just AWESOME!

[Internaut]

yeah, the SSotS duel between Steve and Rick was indeed AWESOME! I was in front of Rick and the expressions on his face were like, "here Steve, take this!" and vice versa from Steve... a top 3 highlight from the show that night for me (AYAI and The Meeting the other 2) and I can't wait to see SSotS again.

[Earl Grey]

Just sat through my copy for the first time - great stuff - no sound problems and very grateful that there are no stupid post production 'visual additives' like Keys.
If you haven't got it yet - go and get it soon - SSOTS is just AWESOME!

This is great news! Here's hoping that the American version will be audially sound, and NO visual additives (Actually, visual additives would be ok, if they gave us the option to watch the straight show visuals as well, as they did with the Symphonic DVD).

Sounds great, I can't wait!

:yesbird:

[futuretimes]

mine is brilliant,
thats through my portable too..cant wait to put through something decent..does anyone know if its in a cd release.
steve lets rip on disgrace dun he..show that to all these crappy winge bands that cant play or sing ..weve been infected by all this poo since oasis.
timi :drmmr:

[Close to Loch Ness]

My copy is also excellent. As I've said on the other thread my only criticism is that Steve's guitar is too low in the mix. The sound and camera work are great and to top it all there are no silly graphics. The highlights for me are SSOTS and the acoustic set. It was also great to hear Sweet Dreams and Every Little Thing as I hadn't heard either of these live before this tour.

Brian

[THEGOLDENCAT]

Ok its about time for a comment from me on this one. The sound on the dvd is very good, just as good as Symphonic I would say, the 5.1 is excellent ( yes, most of the band sound comes out of the front speakers in 5.1, it does the same on RUSH IN RIO and that won an award! ).The only problem I can see with it is the " out of synch" bit, which belive me, DOES exist on EVERY copy ( don't ask me how I know, just take it that I do ) from MY EYES onwards. This is pretty off putting to say the least, but almost as if the producers know it's out of synch there are very few shots of Jon singing. Other than that there is no problem with it, other than some of the stuff sounding way too pedestrian now, like they can't play it at the proper speed, verging on a bit of Chaz and Dave really.

[Earl Grey]

'Every Little Thing' was such a joy, last tour.

I find it weird that YES actually reads these reviews on the internet from time to time...

[Symbol]

I got my DVD today and I don't find it "crappy" at all!

[True Believer]

That's because it isn't crappy. It's very very good.

[Symbol]

I love it! A live film of Ritual! Awesome!

[Mostly Harmless]

'Every Little Thing' was such a joy, last tour.

I find it weird that YES actually reads these reviews on the internet from time to time...

I remember thinking how great it was that they played ELT. It's great on the DVD, too!

[Hill St.]

Anything but, crappy.I took it to work today(and the portable dvd player).I think I watched SOTS at least 4 times!Bonus,the boss didn't make it in today.I don't think he got his money's worth out of me today but,I did out of Yes!