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Nes

05-02-2005, 10:13 PM

Well, there's a lot of eye witnesses that say there were cameras there...

Also, to quote mr.Alan White (from Forgotten Yesterdays)

"there's one guy who filmed it. He was a Canadian guy and I really don't know where the tape from that went to, and nobody does. The guy kind of went out of existence or something like that. So there is a copy of TOPOGRAPHIC somewhere. It was a Canadian guy who shot it and that still remains a mystery to everybody in the band, so there's something out there."

So, I think it isn't a rumor that it exsisted at somepoint, but something could've happened to the film or perhaps it really is just sitting in someone's closet somewhere...

BrianD

05-03-2005, 06:03 AM

Roger Dean is certainly not aware of any footage of the Tales tour - he is interested from the stage set angle - I asked him about this and he says he knows that there is Crab Nebula footage but not Tales

raz

05-03-2005, 06:09 AM

from reading the replies to this tread it seems that some footage was filmed by a canadian guy but nobody knows who he was and where the film went...
sorry but i'm bored right now.

Starship Trooper

05-03-2005, 02:46 PM

Isn't it amazingly sad that Yes performed so many shows over the years with such incredible stage presentations but didn't think to film any of them?

It blows my mind how they could let that history slip away undocumented. They must not have realized how special that time was and probably assumed that what they were doing would continue indefinitely into the future.

05-03-2005, 06:12 PM

Yesshows was originally was supposed to include live recordings of ALL FOUR SONGS OF TALES, plus a Gates and an Awaken.

I suspect that those Tales recordings were the audio portion of the film. Atlantic Records, or Yes, or someone had the live Tales audio to be released on LP, so there is live Tales documented.

Tales was their first big stage setup and they were at the top of their game. I highly doubt that it was never filmed. They filmed Yessongs (CTTE tour) with comparitively little funds so why not Tales? They had a lot more money prior to the Tales tour.

Nes

05-03-2005, 07:54 PM

Ralf Eigl

05-15-2005, 03:10 PM

Where could I find a few good pictures to show the Tales stageset?

brotherofmine

05-15-2005, 03:13 PM

There are the Galleries on Yesworld...you could also try a Google Image search for photos...which you can do direct from this site.

05-15-2005, 04:43 PM

This is the centerfold from the Tales Tour Program. Still one of my all-time favorite stages. This should be while playing "The Remembering" as Chris has the fretless Gibson on the stand in front of him.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/paostby/Yes-Talesstage.jpg

Symbol

05-15-2005, 06:19 PM

Nice Paul!

Thanks for sharing that.

remembering

05-16-2005, 05:30 AM

05-16-2005, 05:41 PM

Chris only played a mounted bass on this tour. It never happened again.

Notice that Steve's guitar is hidden by a mounted one, too. This was perhaps the first band to ever do this kind of thing.

Wakeman's setup exploded on this tour, too. He had the Hammond C-3 and a baby grand, but also had TWO mellotrons, two Moog's and whatever else. The biggest 70's setup he ever had.

A great tour for a great album. THIS is what the great Prog excess was all about, and it wasn't excessive. It was Prog, dammit!

Nes

05-16-2005, 08:07 PM

Howe used to mount his Coral Sitar, but that mounted guitar.. What is that? It looks like a Strat/Tele...

He said that on that album he only used a ES-345 (for Revealing) and then he used a Les Paul Junior for the other 3 songs, as well as a Kohno Model 10 for ancient, and I don’t know if he ever used that coral on Revealing and Ritual (never really payed close attention to the 2 boots I have from that tour... yet), and I believe that’s it for the live version, cos I remember that he did the “Don the cap” part of remembering on an electric (unlike in the studio version where he used the lute and acoustic...)

If that is The Remembering, This is the guitar he would've been using which is bizarre because that's not what he's using..

http://images.misupply.com/products/originalrect/Gibson%20Custom/153889.jpg

Man, I’d kill for some tales footage, because this is really sparking my intrest even more. *sigh*

Ralf Eigl

05-18-2005, 09:32 AM

Thanks for the info and picture all of you

Ralf

smatt

05-18-2005, 09:52 AM

From what I can collect from AW's quote (I abridged it), they were trying to record a good tales show, but never were able to get one that was high quality. Personally I think that's a load of it, because YesSongs is one of the worst sounding live albums I've ever heard (too much noise and compression, it is still a good album though), and they still released that and made lots of money off of it..

Ahh, but you're missing the fact that in this short little period between the CTTE tour and the Tales tour. They became picky, and decided that they had to go throught he democratic process on EVERY single decision. That means that just 1 member could filibuster anything they wanted........

Sad it is, but such is Yes...

05-18-2005, 06:14 PM

Howe used to mount his Coral Sitar, but that mounted guitar.. What is that? It looks like a Strat/Tele....

If that is The Remembering, This is the guitar he would've been using which is bizarre because that's not what he's using..

Man, I’d kill for some tales footage, because this is really sparking my intrest even more. *sigh*

Yea, the guitar we can see is mounted, but it obscures the one he is playing! I thought that mounted one looked a bit like a Gibson Explorer, too, bit it isn't.

Nes

05-18-2005, 06:39 PM

Hmm. It's hard to tell that it's mounted in the scan..

He's probably playing the les paul jr. behind it, but what is that mounted one? It'd make sense if the mounted one was a classical guitar which he used on ancient, but also from the boots, you can tell that he does a switch due to the awkward pause on ancient...

But even so, it's not, and I can't figure it out. It does look a bit like and explorer, but it also looks like a telecaster.. Very odd... If only we could ask him.

EDIT: Here's another picture from the tour, which clears up some of the mystery, but I still haven't figured out the mounted guitar...

05-18-2005, 07:01 PM

Here's Steve's guitar list from the Tales tour program:

Gibson ES 175D
Gibson Stereo ES 345
Gibson Les Paul Junior
Gibson Twin Neck
Fender Twin Neck Steel Guitar
Danalectro 12 String
Danalectro Electric Sitar

It might be a Danalectro 12, which he did use live for the beginning portion of The Remembering.

Nes

05-18-2005, 07:38 PM

I'm 90% sure the Danalectro sitar is a coral rip off (or it maybe just a coral), the 175 would be on the encores, the 345 is for CTTE, SK, and Revealing, the LPjr is for Remembering, ancient, and Ritual, the twin necks is for AU+I (the EDS-1275 and Fender), so that does only leave the danalectro which that's probably it because that's the only guitar in that list that I'm not sure what looks like..

I sware that he was using a Rickenbacker for that though...

oh well, I guess that's it

EDIT: Oh, here's a pic of the sitar just for referance

05-18-2005, 07:44 PM

He did use a Ric 12 for the Relayer and/or Solos tour. I did read that he used a Danelectro 12 electric on one of his recent solo albums, too. Maybe it's the same one.

I always thought he used a Coral Sitar, too, but who knows how many electric sitars he has had?!? :winknudge

Nes

05-18-2005, 08:02 PM

That's definatly not a coarl..

http://www.edromanguitars.com/resources/images/jjgsit.jpg

I believe that's a reprint, but that's what one looks like, so I guess he used the Danelectro on CTTE + Tales.. As for The Coral, I know for a fact that he has one/uses it because he used one on "The Steve Howe Album"

05-18-2005, 09:56 PM

I've always read some confusion on the Coral/Danelectro sitars as to who made what. Oh, well. Steve was in adverts for Coral Sitars, so who knows if the Tour Program is completely correct or not.

Paul D

05-18-2005, 10:30 PM

Oh, here's a pic of the sitar just for referance

I'm not sure if the sitar is different from other Danelectros, but the headstock in the photo doesn't look like a Danelectro headstock.

I've read interviews where Steve said that he'd played Danos, but complained about the fact that they won't stay in tune (a legitimate gripe...I own a Dano).

Maybe the Steve Howe Guitar Collection CD-ROM could help answer the question. I own a copy, but I loaned it to a friend who hasn't returned it yet.

Nes

05-19-2005, 03:09 PM

The headstock on it is a JJ's headstock. I said in the post that it's a reprint of the coral. The Danelectro he uses on the close to the edge pic had a completely different body shape from the coral (see back one page on one of my posts) and a different headstock as well...

Either way, it's a Danelectro...

Anywho, I did find a pic of a Silvertone made by Danelectro with the same body type as the mounted guitar..

http://www.glyphmedia.com/vintage_silvertones/guitar/danelectro-coral_ampincase/1452L_danelectro.jpg

It must be the 12 string version of this...

05-19-2005, 06:05 PM

There ya go. I'd totally forgotten the Silvertone connection. That sure convinces me. I also have a live boot of Tales. Those soapbars on a 12string would be pretty jangly in tone.