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Earl Grey
03-28-2002, 12:56 PM
I had this conversation with some know-it-all friends many years ago: they all had different answers:

"A Siberian Khatru is a very rare Russian waterfowl that is on the endangered list."

"A Siberian Khatru is a short poem consisting of four stanzas. Sort of like a Haiku."

"A Siberian Khatru is a steppe or a fjiord, or a... Pass that spliff this way for a minute, wouldja? What were we talking about?"


Now, ...What do YOU think a Siberian Khatru is???? Have fun here, that's an order!

Earl The Burl ;-{)>

Insane Teacher
03-28-2002, 01:32 PM
According to the attached link, it is a word that Jon Anderson made up during work on the song. He liked the way it sounded in the song.

http://www.khatru.com/Name.html

Alysoun
03-28-2002, 01:44 PM
A "khatru" (khatruavis Stellaris) is a flightless Siberian bird that is only visible on nights when the moon is waxing and the teperature is below -32 degrees fahrenheit. Those who have glipmsed in on rare occassions claim that it resembles a cross between a crane, an emu and a hummingbird. The only documented sighting of the rare avain came from Georg Stellar's reseraches in that area in the late 19th century. It has never been seen since that time as remains as much of an enigma as Stellar's white raven.

Stalin tried docment their existance and then tried to have them all sent to the camps during the 30s and 40s, therefore they are even more rare than they had been.

(NB: Georg Stellar was a real german biologist who did study the zoology of the Siberian region and his white raven which he claimed to see only once may or may not have been a real creature. And the sight of dancing cranes in Siberia and Mongolia is a very magical sight, so I have read)

Allison

So Earl, how's that for fun?

Earl Grey
03-28-2002, 02:00 PM
And more what I had in mind here! Nice technical gobbledegook there Allison! Pretty convincing. A white Raven? Could it have been a mutation? A Raven in reverse would, what? Fly into an open window and drop glittery trinkets on my shelf... I can dig it!

OK, who's next?! ;)

Earlie :yesbird: < Dean's attempt at a 'Khatru' in flight: which could never happen, as everyone knows a Khatru is flightless!

Insane Teacher
03-28-2002, 02:09 PM
Allison, that is interesting information and certainly seems consistent with the song. While you were making your post, I was doing a little follow up research just out of curiosity. I did internet searches for the "khatruavis Stellaris" after seeing your post and they returned nothing. All searches for "Khatru" returned Yes websites. I checked several dictionaries, including one of those massive 50 lb. dictionaries, and none of them listed Khatru or khatruavis Stellaris. I am curious, where did you find that information.

Alysoun
03-28-2002, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by Insane Teacher
Allison, that is interesting information and certainly seems consistent with the song. While you were making your post, I was doing a little follow up research just out of curiosity. I did internet searches for the "khatruavis Stellaris" after seeing your post and they returned nothing. All searches for "Khatru" returned Yes websites. I checked several dictionaries, including one of those massive 50 lb. dictionaries, and none of them listed Khatru or khatruavis Stellaris. I am curious, where did you find that information.

Insane Teach:

I am making it up, silly!!!

Khatru=khatru
avis= Latin for bird
Stellaris = Georg Stellar (Stellaris = Latin of Stellar)

This Stellar's khatru-bird

It just sounds convincing ;)

Allison

Insane Teacher
03-28-2002, 02:24 PM
You had me going on that one. The Stallin part seemed fishy so I did the internet searches. I had always assumed Khatru was a real word but I never bothered to look it up.

Earl Grey
03-28-2002, 02:29 PM
"Khatru": A tall fur covered ladder utilized by the neolithic inhabitants of Siberia in Paganistic rituals."

"Siberian Khatru": a form of Slavic Spam, derived from equal parts Borscht and Yak meat.

;)

Alysoun
03-28-2002, 02:30 PM
Originally posted by Insane Teacher
The Stallin part seemed fishy so I did the internet searches.

Well, I might not say "fishy" ....

ba-dum-bum

Allison

YYY
03-28-2002, 02:36 PM
Actually, the phrase 'Siberian khatru' comes from an old expression that orignated in northern Russia in the 19th century.
Workers in the region would return home from the harsh and freezing conditions with a cold or flu. When they would sneeze uncontrollably creating the sound ...Khatru!!, Khatru!! Khatru!!,
the local residents would say..."ahh! You've caught the Siberian Khatru"




Bless you!

Alysoun
03-28-2002, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Earl Grey
"Siberian Khatru": a form of Slavic Spam, derived from equal parts Borscht and Yak meat.

Oh Man Earl, that is just brilliant.

But you must through some "wodka" into the Slavic Spam recipe as well.

Another definition:

Khatru: the resulting mutations deriving from the Tunguska blast or their sound that you hear on moonlit nights in the Taiga.

Well, not so funny, this one, but haunting.

Khatru: a misplaced Lutheran minister who got lost in the eastern parts of Russia whose ghost still wanders the land calling "Khatru!!! Khatru!!!!"

Allison

Alysoun
03-29-2002, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by illusion
And Alysoun, you had me fooled with your description.

Illusion:

Throw around a bit of Latin and it *always* sounds convincing.

My first explanation does contain some fact.
Georg Stellar was a real person and he was a zoologist/biologist and there are such animals (or were) as Stellar's sea cow and Stellar's white raven which might or might not have been a real creature.

More funny explanations, please, this is a great thread.

Allison

Earl Grey
03-29-2002, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by Alysoun

But you must through some "wodka" into the Slavic Spam recipe as well.

Khatru: a misplaced Lutheran minister who got lost in the eastern parts of Russia whose ghost still wanders the land calling "Khatru!!! Khatru!!!!"

Allison

I always wondered about the 'Luther in time'... Now I understand the song thouroughly! It all begins to make sense!

A missplaced Lutheran minister was busily scaling an ancient fur-lined ladder looking for some Yak meat (marinated in Borsch and Vodka), when he caught the Siberian Khatru in his sinuses which resulted in the Tunguska blast, literally levelling every tree for miles...

:ele:

Alysoun
03-29-2002, 03:55 PM
Yup,

Surrealism rules.

I am skeptical though whether Yaks are indigenous to Siberia.
I think a Yak is fouth only as far north as Tibet/Nepal.

There are Musk Oxen in the Canadian Arctic so you might want to make that Musk Ox Meat.


This is waht comes from reading National Geographic religiously every month!!!

Allison

jdc
03-31-2002, 03:57 AM
For the true meaning of Siberian Khartu you need to spell it backwards.
UTRAHK NAIREBIS pronounced U TRAK NAY EBEES.
This in fact is ARAMAIC and it refers to a part of the bible - book of revelations.
In this part reference is made to a loud sound from the skies - I quote a translation of the
aramaic, "In the south part of the sky a loud noise shall decend from the heavens that hallows the advent of the chaser" What is the chaser? Here there are a few interpretations,
but the authoritive authority on this one is Prof. Euston Wallace (OXON) who has stated in
his respected book, "Revelations I had on the bus one day" - "the chaser is a short stiff
alcoholic drink normally served after a nice cold beer".

Prof. Euston Wallace is a full time memeber of the Twighlight Home of the Mentally ill and all night diner.

I hope this brings some closure to this matter, as it did to Prof. Wallace.

YYY
03-31-2002, 04:50 AM
Very Very funny! Sounds like something the narrater would say in 'The Hitchhiker Guide to the Galaxy'. Thanks

Has anyone ever ask Jon this question? Maybe in a very old interview. Alll I know is...'Siberian Khatru. It one of the coolest songs of all time. Its a song that I can ALWAYS listen to. And I still don't know exactly what it's about.

Earl Grey
03-31-2002, 06:18 AM
Fan-frikken-tastic! My fave-post so far.

I hope you are safe and happy in Tel Aviv tonight.

Believe me, I've thought about you guys during the past two days. We all have.

I hope you are safe, warm and in good company. May the darkness of the world turn to the rosey fingers of dawn.

May the dove descend upon the cradle of civilization with a verdant leaf.

I've thought about you guys tonight, and now I have a name(Or the initials of a friend anyway!): jdc.

Enjoy your cold brew, and know that you are in our thoughts and hearts...

Earl Grey :yesbird:

jdc
03-31-2002, 06:47 AM
earl grey

thank you for thoughts at this difficult time.

JDC

YESYOUANDI
03-31-2002, 09:02 AM
Man, when you are as pi$$ed as I am right now then you don't give a sh-t.
Hell, It's a good tune anyway!!!!!
Happy easter to all our readers.

Earl Grey
04-01-2002, 02:11 AM
If you are really pi$$ed, you are in the perfect state to come up with some wierd funny gobbledegoop about what a Siberian Khatru is! I'd love to hear your explaination!

You never know, you might find the actual meaning...
The Rosetta stone is sometimes not far from the Blarney Stone!
Just a stone's throw away I think!

Earlie :)

Martin Riley
06-20-2002, 08:39 AM
This was of course just Jon's idea of a cosmic joke.

The Ru part(originally spelt as Rhue) was the name given to the flap worn at the back of the headgear of a Greek Orthodox minister.
When the Orthodox church became the established church of old imperial Russia their ministers began appearing in Siberia. Jon played around with the word 'cat' and chaged it for poetical reasons to Khat.

Thus:Siberian Khatru = A siberian cat's catflap

It's the pussycat doorway into Yes

Earl Grey
06-20-2002, 03:09 PM
Or are you the Blarney stone?!!!

Sounds pretty convincing to me: it had better not be gobbledegoop or I'm going to look pretty silly pontificating on the REAL meaning of Siberian Khatru next time I'm hoisting beers with other YesFans!!! Luther in time... As in Martin Luther? OK. Maybe not gobbledegoop! Pretty convincing.

Thanx Captain: good stuff!

Earl:yesbird:

Martin Riley
06-21-2002, 04:34 AM
it's taken me years of research to find out that true meaning, and you suggest it's blarney!!!!

I'm shocked that you could diss such impassioned research

Earl Grey
06-21-2002, 06:31 AM
And I WILL try it out as a 'de-bunking' method to shut my old highschool friend 'up' on the issue! He never lets me forget that HE discovered YES first, then turned me on to the obsession!

And he's british! Damn Limey! ;)

I suppose he'll want to tax my name now for the commonwealth?! Anarchy in the UK! Toss the tea over the side of the ship! Oops. Sorry!

A greek orthodox headpiece... or was that cod-piece? Haha!

;) Earlyburly:ele:

Martin Riley
06-21-2002, 06:34 AM
Originally posted by Earl Grey
[B]And he's british! Damn Limey/B]

Of course he's British. We are the arbiters of good taste.

Earl Grey
06-21-2002, 07:10 AM
And I grew up in Venice California. Where they videotaped that travesty! Right next to Morrison Hotel (There really is a Morrison Hotel, and I know the photograper who told Jim Morrison about it, Henry Diltz......). There was a coffee-house next door to the Morrison Hotel where I met a girl who was writing the script (?!) to her first porno-film... of wich she had written herself into the starring role. Culture.

We have all sorts of Kulture here!
Bikini-waxing booths.....
High Colonic Enema-huts!
Museums dedicated to kaka-sculptures (not really!).
Used CD stores that carry Elgar's Greatest Hit (Pomp and WHAT?)!
Fast-Food Fish and Chips... just coat those arteries!
Pickwick's British Pub where you can play a lousy game of darts and listen to Bob Cowsill sing BAD BAD Beatle-covers... Just horrible!

And we have Austin Powers.

Need I say more about good taste?! Hehe!

:ele:

Martin Riley
06-21-2002, 08:11 AM
Catch a load of our culture:
MacDonalds
KFC
Euro Disney
Britney Spears-alikes
Madonna in a West End stage production

Roll over Shakespeare,Chaucer,The Brontes,Wordsworth,Byron,Shelley,Elgar,Delius,Hols t,Britten,Vaughan Williams,Robbie Burns,Dr Johnson,Boswell,Marlowe.......et al.......and tell Tchaikovsky the news

Neverthirst
06-21-2002, 08:18 AM
Siberian Khatru is a rather intricate sexual/spiritual ceremony between a man and a woman, in which they connect/bond every catagorical essence of their being through successive physical acts ...

Its somewhat ancient and not well known.

It is analogous to what many cultures refer to as "consumation", in that it is the initial sexual act/sexualbonding between two souls that have chosen a path together that never ends ... But that is where the similarities with the term 'consumation' ends .... because Siberian Khatru encompasses so very much more.

On the spiritual level one might compare it to Tantric ... very similar concepts with the connection of the souls, becoming 'one', etc. But the physical act itself is very unlike anything Tantric. Its even more "dynamic" ... if you can imagine that ... at times ... less 'gentle' ... and at other times ... too gentle.

If you can imagine that within a person, there are a variety of 'spirits' or 'essences'... the spirit of a 'Bird' or a 'King", etc. all residing in each person and each represents some inherent quality or characteristic about each person ...

Siberian Khatru goes thru each 'spirit/essence' one by one, and connects each of them between the man and the woman, though in a rather peculiar succession. In other words ... in this act ... the King and the Queen (essences/spirits of the two people) connect, and then they connect as Bird and Prey, and then they connect as ....etc, etc. I believe the song has at least one reference to all of them but one.

Supposedly, its actually quite intimidateing ... because its so complex ... but it is extremely intimate on a spiritual level.

It is said that if either person in a Khatru relationship were to ever break the covenant between them, that both would deteriorate ... each essence, one by one, in reverse order from the ceremomy, until nothing but a shell of a person remained in each ... and they were, together ... 'nothing'.

I really can't go into more detail, or it wouldn't be suitable to post. And I'd rather not be asked how I know this ...

Martin Riley
06-21-2002, 08:26 AM
So Martin Luther wasn't a repressed German Theologian after all but a Tantric Sex God. Re-write the history books!!!

Neverthirst
06-21-2002, 09:08 AM
The lines ...

Luther, in time,
Suntower, asking,
Cover, lover,

... were actually meant to represent that such acts as Siberian Khatru would become all but lost in the pages of history due to such repressed periods, such as that begun by Luther.

Martin Riley
06-21-2002, 09:24 AM
Quick thinking,there,my man.......I'm impressed

Earl Grey
06-21-2002, 01:17 PM
Or, er... the flesh... OK. Now I thoroughly understand the meaning of Siberian Khatru! I'm not confused at all.

Were you aware that in the US we have a group called 'The Liar's Club?' A bit like Toastmasters, but they gather to tell the tallest of tall-tales! Not that I question your story's authenticity!

I hear The RING Of Truth!
Or was that the fire alarm???
No matter: amazing Neverthirst!
Bravo Mr Riley!

Fun, this!

:ele:

Neverthirst
06-23-2002, 09:00 AM
Originally posted by Martin Riley
Quick thinking,there,my man.......I'm impressed

Why thank you ... I rather got a kick out of it!

I don't know how convincing I was, but I sure had fun trying!

Martin Riley
01-23-2003, 11:25 AM
Any further thoughts on what a Siberian Khatru is?

yesiam
01-23-2003, 03:14 PM
Nothing funny, but what a hilarious thread : ) Thanks for reviving it.

I always thought it was some kind of shamanistic ritual. I never doubted it, but I have absolutely no idear where I came up with that idear.

Earl Grey
01-23-2003, 05:46 PM
A Siberian Khatru is a full bodysuit pajama, woven of Yak's hair.
Complete with dropseat, little footsies, and a bolshevick headpiece, no Siberian would be caught in the sub-zero night without one. Else, they would catch the dreaded Siberian Atchoo, and we couldn't have that now, could we?

:ele:

STARRSHIP TROOPER
01-23-2003, 06:22 PM
I'm so sorry for the confusion. I's my peoples falt. We set down in Siberia to take plant samples. When we got hungry for some earth fast food. Of coarse I wrote down the order on a large rock and whith my poor spelling. Gotchoo's order ended up french fries with Khatru. Who can spell Katchup anyhoo?
Starrship Trooper

Dances w/PURPLE
01-23-2003, 09:23 PM
***A Siberian Khatru is how they sneeze in Siberia!??!***

Bluetailfly
01-23-2003, 11:17 PM
But seriously, the Siberian Khatru is a relative of the Arctic Tern. It is capable of flying over 1000 miles and flys over the north pole and visits North America and Russia. The Siberian Khatru was very busy flying peace missions between the super powers during the cold war period and this is how Jon heard about them - through the peace movement. They were able to fly undetected by the CIA's radar, and thus keep hope alive in the hearts of the enlightened ones while the earth spun into darkness. I read a report on the Wilderness Activists website that a pair of the rare birds have been spotted in Saskatchewan by some birders and they seemed to be on a course to Ottowa. I wonder if Shifty Originale knows anything about this?

Earl Grey
01-24-2003, 03:46 PM
The old manager from my high school rock band was convinced that a Siberian Khatru was a bird of some sort... He is still convinced of this! A good friend, from many years... and a Yeshead to the core (If I could just get him computer-savvy, he would be here on our forum... No chance: the computer just sits there, covered in dust!).

Anyway, loved your post Bluetail!

Dances... Here's some kleenex dear!

:ele:

Sheerah
01-24-2003, 06:12 PM
Have you guys been smoking cured sturgeon bones again, or what?

Not only do I know what a Siberian Khatru is, but I own stock in the company that manufactures the True Khatru.

You might want to run this by your financial advisor. They make a fine profit, and they are an environmentally friendly company. You can check out their link at http://www.khatrus_and_yous_guys.com They are actually based out of New Jersey now.

A Siberian Khatru used to be the only way the hardy natives of this polar region were able to travel. A True khatru is similar in concept to a canoe, only it is slightly more stable, and therefore a little heavier and more difficult to maneuver. Of course, the company has improved somewhat on the original design, by maximizing the natural refrigeration properties of the frigid local waters. The khatru now comes with a handy compartment where you can place your salted fish and beer, and keep them fresh and cold. Another improvement is the steel honed blade on the front of the khatru. This blade allows for the paddler to slice through those pesky ice blocks, so often found along the way of your commute from one glacier to the other.

Look them up, and consider investing!

Bluetailfly
01-24-2003, 08:56 PM
I don't know Sheila, a little birdie told me that Jon actually got it wrong (he was pie-eyed I think). The line Luther In Time should actually be Luthier In Time as the ancient Guild of Luthiers actually can play a series of notes on their strings that speaks directly to the Khatru. The Khatru then takes that message and transmits through sacred song the message of Peace to the Luthiers on the other side of the world. And that is how we can hope for a New Morning to Come into View. "The Heart Spoken Khatru"

Earl Grey
01-25-2003, 07:07 AM
Sheila... you could easily sell me the Brooklyn Bridge!

I have a bridge from an old guitar I could sell your 'Luthier in time' Bluetail! When I've needed guitar repairs in the past, the luthier is NEVER on time... I always have to wait a week or two to get my guitars back! He must send them to Siberia...

:ele:

Bluetailfly
01-25-2003, 11:01 AM
Its reall all been a matter of misdirection to keep the secret secret. Jon knows the Luthiers combination of notes, its just they actually aren't heard in the song "Siberian Khatru". The next time you are so fortunate to attend a YES concert, observe your fellow yesfans directly after the long meditative section of Awaken where Jon picks the harp. You will see many shining, beeming faces turned upwards towards the light with tears streaming from their eyes and over their cheeks as they revel in their sheer joy and rapture. You will have just been blessed with the song of the "Harp Spoken Khatru". Jon and his fellow Yesman have the sacred task of delivering the message of peace and love to those who will hear. It is true I tell you. You gotta believe.

yessongs72
01-25-2003, 11:11 AM
Right now i believe that Siberian Khatru is this Artic blast that has hit us in southeastern North Carolina. Now I wish another would hit, the snow was nice and so was the two day's off work! lol

Earl Grey
01-25-2003, 04:03 PM
I heard about the fun weather you're getting there Yessongs72! Yipes! Here in Silly LA, it's another ho-hum sunny day. They all blend together after awhile. Depressed by all this perfect weather! :D

This thread is getting really silly! I guess it always was. One of my faves!
The world needs more silliness!

Earlie:ele:

Sheerah
01-29-2003, 08:26 PM
Originally posted by Earl Grey
Sheila... you could easily sell me the Brooklyn Bridge!

I have a bridge from an old guitar I could sell your 'Luthier in time' Bluetail! When I've needed guitar repairs in the past, the luthier is NEVER on time... I always have to wait a week or two to get my guitars back! He must send them to Siberia...

:ele:

Actually Earl, it is funny that you mention the Brooklyn Bridge. As a promotional stunt, Khatrus For Yous Guys, hired Luthier Vandross to paddle the new True Khatru, as if it were a canoe, through the waters of the East River. It was a big to do! The public was extremely impressed, this much is true. Now how about you?

There he was, ol Luthier, paddling away, in time, right under that darned Brooklyn Bridge! I did overhear him say that he was looking for an old bridge for his new guitar..........

Bluetailfly
01-29-2003, 11:15 PM
Ahhhh commercialism rears its ugly head. Khatrus For Yous Guys is a fascist exploitive corporation that wouldn't know the true meaning of the Khatrus beautiful song if it **** in their eye. Just like the surf tribe of olden days, corprate america stands waiting to cheapen all that is sacred and suck ther soul out of what is real. Luthier Vandross couldn't tell a Lute from a Balalika!

Faceintheplace
01-29-2003, 11:34 PM
From what I've heard, Khatru means 'As you wish.' I wonder if its Jon's was of saying, this song means whatever you want it to.

Sheerah
01-30-2003, 01:09 AM
Originally posted by Bluetailfly
Ahhhh commercialism rears its ugly head. Khatrus For Yous Guys is a fascist exploitive corporation that wouldn't know the true meaning of the Khatrus beautiful song if it **** in their eye. Just like the surf tribe of olden days, corprate america stands waiting to cheapen all that is sacred and suck ther soul out of what is real. Luthier Vandross couldn't tell a Lute from a Balalika!

Yeah, but you should have seen it.
Both Joan and Michelle Rivers were critiqueing the wetsuits! It was a true television moment......

tardistraveler
02-02-2003, 02:41 PM
I love this thread! I have wanted to know for years just what a khatru is! Now I have many choices to select from!

tardistraveler
02-17-2004, 10:29 AM
Well, I'm bumping this thread up too - since Dances wanted to know what a "khatru" is!

Sheerah
02-19-2004, 06:45 PM
BTW, I made a killing when I sold my Khatrus And Yous Guys stock! I was paid handsomely in fish eggs and mushroom pizza!

Philly112
03-10-2004, 01:16 PM
Come on guys, don't you know your Yes history.
On Yes' 1st US tour the band went into a bar for some of your great tasting beer, all high as kites of course.
Jon, looking about 5 years old (as he still does), tried to get served, but the barman got in first: ''Say beer, and I'll card you''
Of course, had the band not left straight away, we'd have been singing along with
''Siberian Khatru, now piss off out of my bar you hippy *&^&*''

Earl Grey
03-11-2004, 02:22 AM
"...for some of your great tasting beer''

Harhar!

That must've been the domestic beer I HAVEN'T tried yet!

Everyone knows that America makes great films, excellent Rock & Roll...

And HORRIBLE beer! It's the absolute worst.

Actually there are some fine 'microbrews': One from Jon's home town, San Luis Obispo is pretty good!

Funny post, and yes, I DID catch the irony!

:ele:

Philly112
03-11-2004, 04:38 AM
You know how sarcastic the Brits are!

Would you believe we went to the SLO Brewing Company when on holiday in 2001 (just after 9/11 in fact). Saw a band there, got hammered etc! Nice place - didn't know Jon lived there till we got home - thought he'd moved up the coast to Hearst Castle.

And for our hol to Colorado/Utah in May, my wife is getting a little suspicious - all the overnight stops seem to be in places with a microbrewery (if she starts to moan I'll just exchange her for a couple of others in Utah)

Phil

ASeasonedWitch
03-25-2004, 10:20 PM
I seem to remember seeing or reading an interview with Jon where he said that "Khatru" means "As you wish."

-Bill

Ridvan
03-26-2004, 12:32 AM
I thought the term came from an old joke. I don't remember the whole thing but at the end when the penguin, the duck and the siberian are sitting at the bar, and the duck says " I kha't drink, the penguin kha't drink. Siberian, kha't ru?


...........sorry, had to do it.

Lightranger
04-15-2004, 12:38 PM
What a great thread. I am so glad I decided to stop in and check it out.

I had always thought that a KHATRU was a Russian story or poem, like a haiku.

As this is my favorite song of all of YES, I really had an awakening on this one last summer. A dear friend did a talk about the Chakras and how they relate to Mayan mysticsm.

The Heart Chakra is symbolized by the Condor. When I heard that, my heart just jumped and I was instantly transported to the first line of the song..."Sing Bird of Prey".

Wow, could Jon have been singing about the heart chakra opening up??? :valintine

Thanks for this great thread and topic.

In Love and Light;

YYY
04-16-2004, 12:57 AM
Whatever it means, there is no doubt that it's one of the greatest songs of our time. Damn! I luv that tune !

Timmo
05-13-2004, 08:09 PM
What a great thread. I am so glad I decided to stop in and check it out.

I had always thought that a KHATRU was a Russian story or poem, like a haiku.

As this is my favorite song of all of YES, I really had an awakening on this one last summer. A dear friend did a talk about the Chakras and how they relate to Mayan mysticsm.

The Heart Chakra is symbolized by the Condor. When I heard that, my heart just jumped and I was instantly transported to the first line of the song..."Sing Bird of Prey".

Wow, could Jon have been singing about the heart chakra opening up??? :valintine

Thanks for this great thread and topic.

In Love and Light;Condors aren't birds of prey. They eat carrion, ie., already dead things.

TIM
Venice, CA

BlueEagle
05-13-2004, 08:19 PM
Obviously, Earl, you have never tasted FRENCH beer. SACRE BLEU - What YUCKO PEU
(And MGD, Michelob Dark, and US microbrews arent all bad)

umgekehrt
07-04-2004, 05:35 AM
It might be a Russian name, taken from a story about two men in a train.

One man says "What's that package up there in the baggage rack?"

And the other answers, "O that's a Siberian Khatru."

The first one asks "What's a Siberian Khatru?"

"Well" the other man says, "Its an apparatus for trapping lions in the Russian Highlands."

The first man says, "But there are no lions in the Russian Highlands," and the other one answers "Well then that's no Siberian Khatru!"

tali
07-04-2004, 06:49 AM
"Siberian Khatru"... it was a prophetic vision Jon had, and as often
happens with such visions, the communication channel was a bit
noisy... So instead of "Cyberian Chat room" he heard "Siberian Khatru"...
and here we are now ;)

Btw, lots of great posts in here :)

Earl Grey
07-04-2004, 01:43 PM
It might be a Russian name, taken from a story about two men in a train.

One man says "What's that package up there in the baggage rack?"

And the other answers, "O that's a Siberian Khatru."

The first one asks "What's a Siberian Khatru?"

"Well" the other man says, "Its an apparatus for trapping lions in the Russian Highlands."

The first man says, "But there are no lions in the Russian Highlands," and the other one answers "Well then that's no Siberian Khatru!"

I love this one! :lmao:

It reminds me of an Aleister Crowley story about two guys on a train, one has a box with holes in the top. The other asks him what's in the box, to which he replies, 'It's a mongoose.'

'A mongoose! What in God's name are you going to do with a mongoose?'

'Well, my brother was an alcoholic for many years, and he just stopped drinking. He's been suffering through delerium tremens, and imagines the room full of snakes. I'm bringing the mongoose to rid him of the snakes.'

The other man shuffles his feet a bit, then replies...
'But sir, aren't the snakes that are bothering him imaginary snakes?'

The man with the box replies:

'Ah yes, but you see: This is an imaginary mongoose!'
~~~~~~~~~~

EG:yesbird:

umgekehrt
07-04-2004, 01:50 PM
I love this one! It reminds me of an Aleister Crowley story

Well Earl, much as I would like to take credit, it's not original. It's the explanation Alfred Hitchcock offered regarding McGuffin to Francois Truffaut. I just changed "Scottish" to "Russian" and "McGuffin" to "Siberian Khatru".

Sheerah
07-05-2004, 04:57 AM
You guys are so "heady".

About The Round
07-05-2004, 05:07 AM
A Siberian Kathru is a vehicle. On the icy lakes of Siberia, nothing copares to a Kathru when the use of the delta-shaped sail is done with the motions. A sledge and a sail. I'll try to find some image documentation of it.

ATR.

Scooty
07-05-2004, 05:13 AM
Siberian Khatru:

Isnt it a lightly glazed chicken in a white wine sauce smothered in....

oh wait

Thats a Tormato
nevermind

brotherofmine
07-05-2004, 05:09 PM
No! No! No! You are all wrong. The Khatru are a nomadic tribe who used to roam the Siberian Tundra. The bird that is referred to in the song is a bird of prey known as the Siberian Eagle, The Khatru worshipped the Siberian Eagle because it's presence was a signal of the end of the harsh Siberian winters. The Siberain Eagle, (as you all know) is renowned for it's distinctive bird song, a mating call, and another sign that winter has come to an end.
What ever happened to The Khatru sadly they did not survive, the harsh winters and a fall in the Yak population (their sole food source) and finally contact with the Russian civilisation from whom they caught colds and had no immunity from. What ever happened to the Siberian Eagle, bird expert Bill Oddie comments, "Micheal Palin swears that he saw one on his travels but I don't believe him."
So, dear, poor misguided people, Siberian Khatru is about a TRIBE not a BIRD. Finally who was Luther? He was the leader of The Khatru of course.

About The Round
07-05-2004, 05:19 PM
– I'll try to find some image documentation of it:

ATR

custom55
07-05-2004, 07:30 PM
A "khatru" (khatruavis Stellaris) is a flightless Siberian bird that is only visible on nights when the moon is waxing and the teperature is below -32 degrees fahrenheit. Those who have glipmsed in on rare occassions claim that it resembles a cross between a crane, an emu and a hummingbird. The only documented sighting of the rare avain came from Georg Stellar's reseraches in that area in the late 19th century. It has never been seen since that time as remains as much of an enigma as Stellar's white raven.

Stalin tried docment their existance and then tried to have them all sent to the camps during the 30s and 40s, therefore they are even more rare than they had been.

(NB: Georg Stellar was a real german biologist who did study the zoology of the Siberian region and his white raven which he claimed to see only once may or may not have been a real creature. And the sight of dancing cranes in Siberia and Mongolia is a very magical sight, so I have read)

Allison

So Earl, how's that for fun?

An interesting combo..." cross between a crane, an emu and a hummingbird". Could that fly ? lol

Is that the bird on the cover of YESSHOWS ???


Jim

Awakened by the Gates
07-17-2004, 08:54 AM
"I heard tell that it was an elusive fish.Somewhat resembling a squire(found in the waters of Australia at least).Jon and,er,son were off in search of it.Jon asked how 'e could locate it.With the assistance of Rick Wake(man,he is good!) and using the best of baits they were able to snag it briefly,in an eddie off Ord(a Siberian village),only to see a flash of white as it escaped.Al an all it was not a wasted exercise as they saw a bird with a bill go after the fish.This bird became part of their history."
As told to me by Chris Eve Burst-Ford:from her book "Where Legends Come To Life".

tali
07-21-2004, 11:22 AM
I saw one today on the sidewalk, in the street (honest!).
It was completely white, looking like a cross between a tampon and a parrot, and had a perfect triangular red beak. It didn't look very healthy though - not in this heat, so far away from home :(

tardistraveler
07-21-2004, 11:29 AM
Tali, maybe you should have rescued it and returned it to Siberia! We could start a fund here on YesFans to "Save the Siberian Khatru!"

tali
07-21-2004, 02:36 PM
It's too late now! :crybby:

It looked very striking, but I only realized what it was when
I got back home & logged in here... what's even worse, I showed it to some
children - that can be lethal to small helpless Khatrus...

I feel so guilty now!!

brotherofmine
07-28-2004, 03:44 AM
Isn't it a song by some obscure rock group?
AwakenGod if you are going to offer a suggestion at least be sensible here...I mean a song..what ever will people think of next... :angel:

Earl Grey
07-28-2004, 04:25 AM
AwakenGod if you are going to offer a suggestion at least be sensible here...I mean a song..what ever will people think of next...

Yeah, not a very 'catchy' title. I don't think it'll make it to #1 in the charts...
:ele:
~~~~~~~~~~

tali's description of the Khatru as a cross between a tampon and a parrot...
:lmao: That was great!

Earlie-G

tecladista
10-20-2004, 12:27 PM
from a Dr Seuss book.. "Happy Birthday to You!"

...the Birthday Honk Honker leads readers on an amazing trip through Katroo, where they really make birthdays special

Earl Grey
10-21-2004, 03:39 PM
A Siberian Khatru is the Russian Gulag where they sent Igor Korochev after his bad behavior with that security guard (If you don't know the story... I do believe Chris Welch described the incident a bit in his book 'Close To The Edge'...).

So a Siberian Khatru shouldn't be confused with a Siberian KooKoo...

(All in fun here, I'm actually a big Korochev fan!).

:ele:

mattquarterstein
10-22-2004, 06:10 AM
And Siberian Atchoo is a sneeze, I suppose?

Yes Lover
10-23-2004, 02:19 PM
I'd always thought it was like a chant or a prayer...

Yes Lover
10-23-2004, 02:27 PM
Oh BTW, I just looked up the word "Khatru" on www.dictionary.com (http://www.dictionary.com) and it doesn't exist apparently. I did get this though:


No entry found for Khatru.
Did you mean Gantry?

1 entry found for Gantry.
Entry: stand
Function: noun
Definition: stage
Synonyms: base, board, booth, bracket, counter, dais, frame, Gantry, grandstand, place, platform, rack, rank, staging, stall, station, support, table

Hmmmm, some of that makes sense (stage, place, etc.)...

Jon must have made up that word or something. I'll continue looking for it anyway. Maybe that's why no one in the band knows what "Khatru means...lol

Earl Grey
07-05-2005, 04:49 AM
I remember my highschool buddy Chris swore that he'd read that a Siberian Khatru was a mystical bird of Slavic origin. Chris knew bullocks about the origin of northern waterfowl, but he did (and does!) have great taste in bands. Give Chris crap about that if you meet him at one of our Liquore Locust parties. Haha!

A Siberian Khatru IS something though.

A Siberian Khatru is a song by YES which evades description.
No other band but YES could have written or recorded that track.

An amazingly inimitable song, that's what a Siberian Khatru is!

...And it's a mystical bird with firey plummage, known for hovering over the steppes and glacial outcroppings of the northern hinterlands.

:ele:

Jackaranda
07-05-2005, 04:52 AM
In the book "The Extrordinary World of Yes", Jon says he made 'Khatru' up, then found out later it means "as you wish".

Earl Grey
07-05-2005, 04:57 AM
'As You Wish' sounds like a bit of Jonnish gobbldegook if you ask me, but hell... What do I know?

:lmao: If it actually does mean 'As You Wish' in some obscure tongue, it wouldn't surprise me...
Jon seems to pick stuff like that up from the ether!

gotta love Jon

urlie:yesbird:

Stevehoweworshipu!
07-06-2005, 10:25 PM
Yeah!! on that Live in Phil dvd that Chris journo guy says that, Chris Squire told him it ment that too.

Rabbit
07-06-2005, 10:37 PM
Siberian Khatru: USSR North Vietnam alliance.

http://www.vov.org.vn/amthanh1/tiengviet/Amnhac/catru/catru.htm

http://www.thingsasian.com/goto_article/article.613.html

neilius
07-09-2005, 06:20 AM
Study the lyric - 'Green leaves reveal the of spoken khatru'

This means when its windy in siberia the leaves of the trees give away the hiding place of the khatru's. Basically, a khatru is one of the nomadic tribes of siberia, said to be immortal and elusive of all contact although there is a conspiracy theory that this tribe spread ideas and new inventions for the betterment of mankind.

Is that wacky enough?

Earl Grey
07-09-2005, 06:26 AM
Study the lyric - 'Green leaves reveal the of spoken khatru'

This means when its windy in siberia the leaves of the trees give away the hiding place of the khatru's. Basically, a khatru is one of the nomadic tribes of siberia, said to be immortal and elusive of all contact although there is a conspiracy theory that this tribe spread ideas and new inventions for the betterment of mankind.

Is that wacky enough?

Just wacky enough neilius!

Actually a Siberian Khatru is a Russian sandwich made with onions and borsch...
It's a real beeyatch trying to keep it between two slices of potato-bread, unless you are in Siberia, where it freezes and congeals into an epicurian delight...

:ele:

BrianD
07-09-2005, 06:32 AM
I have never understood why there should be any confusion about this - a Siberian Khatru is a close cousin of the Mongolian Khatru with its Yaks and Genghis Khans - indeed a Khatru is a type of Khan not often seen these days, the Great Wall has had an impact on that.

Earl Grey
07-09-2005, 06:35 AM
Genghis Khatru then???

BrianD
07-09-2005, 06:36 AM
or possibly Siberian Khan

Earl Grey
07-09-2005, 06:49 AM
A new film festival: The Siberian Cannes.

Yes2Yes
07-09-2005, 07:26 AM
Isn't Siberian Khatru the thing that Khan put in Checkov's ear?

Rabbit
07-09-2005, 09:59 AM
Shhh. It is actually Andersonese for Thai-stick.

tormatotork
07-09-2005, 10:02 AM
It is a mantra one repeats in Northern Russia to enable one to stay warm.

Rabbit
07-09-2005, 10:04 AM
I thought that mantra was "da" when the girls knock on your hotel room door at night. (I once stayed at a nice hotel Vladimir. They gave my three traveling companions and I an entire floor with a security guard and a telephone operator at no extra charge. About 2 am I decided to go downstairs because I couldn't sleep. The cute little country style coffee shop in the lobby of the hotel had been turned into a strip club. When I got up the next morning it was converted back into a coffee shop. The nice thing about traveling in Russia is that, unlike Canada, they don't throw a tourist menu at you.) :dog:

neilius
07-09-2005, 10:10 AM
oh yes! the bluetail tail flies!

shortexchanges
07-09-2005, 10:11 AM
Khatru is a metaphysical phrase that to me means that how the cycle of life exists even in the remote corners of the world, how humans shape the environment and are shaped by it. "Even Siberia goes through the motions...hold out the morning that come into view. Indeed there is an Amazonian khatru, or an African Khatru, even regional Khatrus throughout the USA. The great explorers intuitively understood the Khatrus of the foreign lands that set the seed for the great empires of history.

tormatotork
07-09-2005, 10:14 AM
Khatru is a metaphysical phrase that to me means that how the cycle of life exists even in the remote corners of the world, how humans shape the environment and are shaped by it. "Even Siberia goes through the motions...hold out the morning that come into view. Indeed there is an Amazonian khatru, or an African Khatru, even regional Khatrus throughout the USA. The great explorers intuitively understood the Khatrus of the foreign lands that set the seed for the great empires of history.
What are you smoking?

Rabbit
07-09-2005, 10:15 AM
The great Khatru otherwise known as the Thai-stick.

shortexchanges
07-09-2005, 10:16 AM
unfortunately I quit smoking several years ago. You live in the London khatru!

Rabbit
07-09-2005, 10:18 AM
Now I do detect the caveat "unfortunately." "Memories linger, in the corners of our minds. . ." A little Streisand.

tormatotork
07-09-2005, 10:24 AM
It is a flying carpet used by the mystics* of Russia to fly to ethereal realms linked to Earth at Vladivostok.

*Present day descendants of Rasputin.

Earl Grey
07-09-2005, 12:31 PM
Shhh. It is actually Andersonese for Thai-stick.

:dog:

shortexchanges
07-09-2005, 03:54 PM
This started on the thread regarding Wakeman’s issues with Tales. I began arguing that Tales is a masterpiece against those who say that the lyrics make no sense. To prove my point, that Yes lyrics do make sense and lend themselves to interpretation, I began interpreting them.

Interpretations are not exactly right or wrong. From a Jungian perspective, however, there is a collective symbol system that is alchemical, cross-cultural, universal and reflective of the common archetypes of human experience. Jung claimed that the language of alchemy is privileged and objective. Alchemical symbols tend to occur spontaneously in dreams and in creative works. Psychological interpretatins of these they can be more or less rational, meaningful and positive or negative in valence. There are rules to interpretation, but there is always fundamental uncertainty in applying them. Interpretation is, therefore, as much an art as it is a science. The interpreter brings his or her own orientation, context of interpretation and style to fill in the ambiguities. Interpretation is like co-creation.


Siberian Khatru appears to be about the psychological process of transformation; the struggle between Eros (the life force) and Thanatos (the force of death); and the birth of a new and higher collective consciousness. The primary subdivision of gendered opposites appears central to the process or movement that unfolds and is only resolved in the union of Eros with the feminine principle.

Sing bird of prey
Beauty begins at the foot of you
Do you believe the manner?

The symbols used are found in alchemy. The bird of prey is a symbol of a higher, differentiated, masculine consciousness. He rises above communality and attains great heights in order to see above and beyond the masses.

Beauty is a feminine virtue that is in the eyes of the beholder. To say "beauty begins at the foot of you" is to say that feminine virtue is realized when perceived by a true masculine perspective that rises above the normal repressions and limitations of society.

The "manner" appears to signify convention, politeness, the dominant customs of society (very linear). Since the bird of prey has risen above, he respects but does not concretely "believe" traditions. He is a Gnostic, a truth seeker, a deconstructionist keenly aware of the relativity of history, morality and language.

Gold stainless nail
Torn through the distance of Man
As they regard the summit

Gold is an alchemical symbol of perfection of the actualized soul, the Son of Man, Christ, the lapis or philosopher's stone, etc. The nail is perhaps a symbol of the nail that penetrated Jesus and holds the Son of Man to the cross. This interpretation appears to be supported by the use of another, similar metaphor in "And You And I:" "preacher nailed upon the colored door of time." The gold stainless nail is torn through "the distance of Man," which is history. The Son of Man suffers during the period of His historical crucifixion, which is the time we are still living in. The Son of Man is repressed by the masses.

He suffers in time as they regard the summit, which is a high point in history and consciousness, the Omega point of Christiandom, the end of history.

Even Siberia goes through the motion
Hold out and hold on
Hold down the window
Hold out the morning that comes into view
River running right on over my head.

The laws of transformation govern even a remote and desolate place, such as Siberia. One of these laws is the law of resistance. People tend to resist change (hold out and hold on) and live by conventional authority and conventional wisdom. In order to prolong the dark period of relative unconsciousness during which he rules, the God of the death instinct, Thanatos, or the repressive superego, influences us to "hold down the window, hold out the morning."

Finally, when change comes, it is like a river that runs over our heads, that is, above and beyond our consciousness, out of our control. This is the law of evolution. The change process must overcome the force of resistance. Change flows from the unconscious like a river, which is an alchemical symbol of the Holy Spirit, the movement of the mind and society.


How does she sing?
Who holds the ring and ring?
And you will find me coming

What moves the feminine principle? In alchemy, two rings conjoined symbolize the union of masculine and feminine opposites. The question is which archetype has the power, Eros or Thanatos? The answer is uncertain.

Cold reigning king
Hold all the secrets from you
As they produce the movement

Here the cold reigning king is more clearly used to symbolize what Freud called the superego, a repressor that conceals the truth of the uconscious, the truth of desire, the erotic truth. One cannot force the superego to relent or use force to speed the rate at which the truth is revealed. The movement occurs in time, which is just the struggle between Eros and Thanatos.

Finally,

Warm side the tower
Green leaves reveal
The heart has spoken, Khatru

The change process is complete. The tower, a phallic symbol, has a warm side (Eros) and a cold side (Thanatos). Eros wins the struggle, as the green leaves reveal. Green leaves are a symbol of new life, new life that speaks from the heart the language of love.

In conclusion, the song is resolved as the bird of prey's higher consciousness overcomes the cold reigning king's conventional consciousness that has lost its life-giving force. The collective consciousness has been supplemented with new knowledge of the truth of love. The movement towards the summit or high point of collective consciousness is complete.



Comments on my interpretation are welcome
__________________
Ron

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shortexchanges
07-09-2005, 03:55 PM
The Above Posting Was Cut And Pasted From Another Thread By Ronsalehnasir-thanks-short

Rabbit
07-09-2005, 04:09 PM
I had some of the same thoughts Ron had. The nail, song bird of prey etc. Though he and I are looking at it from a different context (his primarily pschological whereas mine is historical and prophet possibly because of our different professions) some of our underlying ideas are the same.

neilius
07-09-2005, 04:16 PM
they really are immortal...

Charles Matejic
07-12-2005, 01:10 PM
Siberian Khatru is A gold stainless nail torn through the distance of man as they prduce the movement da da dadada da da dadada dadada da dadanenonnenono

Charles Matejic
07-12-2005, 01:11 PM
P.S. since when have Jon Andersons lyrics made sense?

Rabbit
07-12-2005, 02:21 PM
They always have to me.

tormatotork
07-12-2005, 03:12 PM
It is a very cold feline

neilius
07-12-2005, 03:23 PM
An immortal nomad

Bugeyes
07-12-2005, 03:33 PM
What are you smoking?Think we can get shortexchanges to share? :shrug:







;)

tormatotork
07-12-2005, 03:40 PM
Think we can get shortexchanges to share? :shrug:







;)
Hope so, if that's the kind of stuff he's coming out with.

TNyesfan
07-12-2005, 04:04 PM
I've been doing some research into word origins, and this is some of what I've found:

Originally, a "khatru" was the word for a "ditty" or work song sung during the building of the trans- Siberian railroad during the early 1900's. It stems from the Russian word "Kharkiv" which is a city in the Eastern Ukraine and the western edge of the railroad.

Originally the word was known mostly to the peasantry of the Lake Baikal region, but soon spread, as the folk songs did, until it was part of the vernacular of Russian people everywhere.

By the 1950's, as the result of defections to the West by artists, it's use had extended beyond the borders of the USSR and into Europe and England.

In the 1960's and early 70's, the word "Khatru" was used mostly by musicians who were part of the explosive, creative bohemian scene in England. The word's meaning then connoting the mystical and all- knowing "immortal spirit" within all humanity.

tardistraveler
07-12-2005, 04:11 PM
Indeed there is an Amazonian khatru, or an African Khatru, even regional Khatrus throughout the USA.


So, I live in the Nashville khatru? Cool!

Guess any "birds of prey" here sing country music! LOL

Rabbit
07-12-2005, 11:09 PM
I've been doing some research into word origins, and this is some of what I've found:

Originally, a "khatru" was the word for a "ditty" or work song sung during the building of the trans- Siberian railroad during the early 1900's. It stems from the Russian word "Kharkiv" which is a city in the Eastern Ukraine and the western edge of the railroad.

Originally the word was known mostly to the peasantry of the Lake Baikal region, but soon spread, as the folk songs did, until it was part of the vernacular of Russian people everywhere.

By the 1950's, as the result of defections to the West by artists, it's use had extended beyond the borders of the USSR and into Europe and England.

In the 1960's and early 70's, the word "Khatru" was used mostly by musicians who were part of the explosive, creative bohemian scene in England. The word's meaning then connoting the mystical and all- knowing "immortal spirit" within all humanity.

http://ingeb.org/catru.html

From what can tell the term dates back before the time of the Asian migration to Russia by the Khan Chinese clan which is the reason we see it refering to music in both Asia (Viet Nam whose ancestors were the Chinese) and Russia.

YYY
07-13-2005, 07:34 PM
Joking aside...I thought Siberian Khatru was an intensely brilliant, wickedly solid, fantastically mesmerizing, incredibly imaginative, technically fierce and awesomely uplifting song by the most creative rock band of all time and beyond.

Ron Drummond
07-13-2005, 09:11 PM
Great info, TN.


Originally, a "khatru" was the word for a "ditty" or work song sung during the building of the trans- Siberian railroad during the early 1900's. It stems from the Russian word "Kharkiv" which is a city in the Eastern Ukraine and the western edge of the railroad.Makes me wonder if any collections of these early worksongs have been recorded. I don't remember the name of the scholar who spearheaded the project in the USA, but so many folksongs were recorded by the WPA and the Library of Congress starting back in the 1920s and 30s, one wishes a similar recording project was done in the USSR during that period too -- but with Stalin in power it seems doubtful, more likely the forced chanting of hymns of "social realism".


Originally the word was known mostly to the peasantry of the Lake Baikal region, but soon spread, as the folk songs did, until it was part of the vernacular of Russian people everywhere. Lake Baikal is the largest, deepest, and, perhaps most eerily, the oldest freshwater lake in the world. It is over two million years old -- whereas the next oldest lake is only two hundred thousand years old. The depths of Lake Baikal are legendary for their clarity but also for being bottomless; and it boasts more creatures of unknown provenance than Loch Ness. The sad thing is that it is also dying -- directly as a result of the huge quantities of industrial pollution poured into it by Russian industries.

But that association, of khatru with the most ancient of lakes, is wonderfully appropriate to the spirit of Yes. Now if only we could save it...


By the 1950's, as the result of defections to the West by artists, it's use had extended beyond the borders of the USSR and into Europe and England.

In the 1960's and early 70's, the word "Khatru" was used mostly by musicians who were part of the explosive, creative bohemian scene in England. The word's meaning then connoting the mystical and all- knowing "immortal spirit" within all humanity. And reading your words makes me think of that spirit "sounding out" the landscape and skyscape through which it moves, and being "sounded out" by them in turn. Khatru as spirit-of-human together with spirit-of-place. Songs of New Sealth, Albanian Hymns, dryadic waters.

Ron

MoonGateClimber
07-13-2005, 09:59 PM
I always thought that it was this thing -> :yesbird:

But what do I know? I do agree with the long standing theory that it is just some bird flying around in Jon's mind...

YYY
07-15-2005, 05:34 PM
KHATRU ! is the sound Siberians make when they've snorted to much snow!

Bless you!

bluetailtailfly
07-17-2005, 09:09 PM
The Khatru is a green flowering plant grown exclusively by nomadic unshaven yaksmen during the short summers (known as the"june cast") , in the rich and fertile soil found near the rivers of southern Siberia. As the plant begins to flower, bluetail tailflies can be seen in abundance hovering over the khatru perhaps even polinating it,no one knows for sure. Within weeks the plants begin to flower and take on crystals which almost glow in the light of the moon,it is then and only then that the Khatru is harvested. When the green leaves reveal the heart of the Khatru,the hearts or buds are then delicately moved to the sun tower where they are dried carefully and saved for times of the ritual. During the full moon ritual, (they must holdout til the morning comes into veiw), the Siberian Khatru is put into a pipe carved out of a stone known as heart gold, passed among the unshaven yaksmen and smoked. Then as they feel the intoxicating effect of the Khatru, or as one changes,the unshaven yaksmen begin their journey up the mountain to the moon. For they believe the moon is the gate to the universe and only with the Kahtrus help can they reach it.Those who never return are believed to have completed their journey and are forever known as moongate climbers,and believed to be one with the universe. Those that do return are asked only how they regard the summit.
Some Siberians still say,on moonlit nights during the june cast moongate climbers can be heard to sing like a bird of prey.

Helen Bak
10-19-2005, 06:02 PM
Okay Earl,
This is what a Siberian Khatru is, it's a Siberian Husky named Khatru. Plain and simple. Thanks for the giggles,
Helen

frank zappa
10-28-2005, 03:32 PM
Just read the lyrics, it's all there.

pedro skychaser
07-05-2006, 04:18 AM
The Khatru is a green flowering plant grown ...gold, passed among the unshaven yaksmen and smoked. Then as they feel the intoxicating effect of the Khatru, or as one changes,the unshaven yaksmen begin their journey up the mountain to the moon. For they believe the moon is the gate to the universe and only with the Kahtrus help can they reach it.Those who never return are believed to have completed their journey and are forever known as moongate climbers,and believed to be one with the universe. Those that do return are asked only how they regard the summit.
Some Siberians still say,on moonlit nights during the june cast moongate climbers can be heard to sing like a bird of prey.

i love this quote,his first+only post!...i intend to plagiarise extensively!

"loki glimpsed the moongate climber,stealing across the skybridge..."

Earl Grey
07-05-2006, 04:50 AM
A Siberian Khatru is an alcoholic beverage, most popular at Russian rave parties.

It consists of equal parts vodka, borsch, the chemical MDMA, a couple of capers, and a garnish of turnip. You drink it from a hollowed-out Yak horn, and trust me, it's quite the experience! A worthy endeavor, the quest for the perfect Khatru.

The Khatru is only served in the most non-descript illusive undergrounds in Moscow. You wont find them advertised. Best you walk down any peopled street at midnight, and look for a yak's horn hanging from an unembellished black door.

This would be a purveyor of khatrus. Step into the darkened room. You'll notice the black-light decor, the planet frescoes and high constellated ceilings. Don't get sidetracked by the laughing gas room, walk straigh through and up to the chrome kidney-shaped bar, there's a bartender named Olaf. You may approach, but don't order just yet.

When one imbibes a Siberian Khatru, there are certain ritualistic proceedures to adhere to, if one wishes to retain a semblance of cool, and not appear a complete dolt.

As you approach the bar, you must hand Olaf a live monarch butterfly caged in a small wooden case. Don't forget to make air holes! OK, Olaf will reach out and take the case from your hand, he'll raise his left eyebrow, open the case and release the butterfly into the quadrangled parameters of the club.

You'll notice the butterfly's gossamer spiral up and outward, flickering, flitting, and finally landing in an animated corner of the room which undulates and waves in ebon-orange flutterings, the corner of the room is populated by thousands of monarch butterflys, bright orange patterns struck out in ultraviolet light.

Now you may turn, and pick a Yak horn from the yak-rack to your right, and with no hesitation, turn to face Olaf, raise the horn into the air as though you were the statue of liberty, and shout, "Yea Olaf! Bestow upon this weary acolyte the revered nectar, yea this pilgrim seeks the Khatru of Siberia!"

Olaf will then mix your drink, hand you your horn with a flourish. The room will go quiet, now bring the horn to your mouth, and drink your khatru in one grand sweeping gesture. Wipe your gob, and raise the horn three times, shouting "Khatru! Khatru! Khatru!".

The crowd in the bar will raise their horns to you and shout the ritualistic reply: "Guhnsuntite!!

A fine beverage, the Siberian Khatru.

:ele:

fish62858
07-05-2006, 05:01 AM
I WANT ONE!


where's that damn butterfly cage? its around here somewhere...

pedro skychaser
07-05-2006, 05:04 AM
just reading that, yourEarlness makes me feel tipsy...if he's not careful loki could find himself strung up to a tree in gorkyPark or even better snug in a cosy dachau!!!

Earl Grey
07-05-2006, 06:10 AM
Dachau should be turned into a hashish bar.

Gorky Park should be strewn with roses, fascist propogandist architecture overgrown with mad flowerings.

A Siberian Khatru is the sound of a city suddenly made weightless, hovering. Freedom in the wings. Moongate climbers ascend golden ladders to the blue. Clouds drift in circuses of sight, our weightless city rises like helium laughter...

Siberian Khatru is a weightless city, also known as Yesfans...

That's what a Siberian Khatru is!

...It's also the afforementioned beverage. Siberian Khatrus can multitask, and have many meanings.

:ele:

CybrKhatru
07-05-2006, 11:21 AM
Okay Earl,
This is what a Siberian Khatru is, it's a Siberian Husky named Khatru. Plain and simple. Thanks for the giggles,
Helen

I'm afraid Helen (whom I have not met) swooped in and delivered the answer I was planning on bestowing. :lmao:

If we ever live in a cold enough climate, and have land, I hope to raise a Siberian Khatru. I promise he will be friendly!

---Matt

BillGuitar
07-05-2006, 11:30 AM
It's a Siberian puss! A Russian meow-meow, as it were!

A Siberian Cat, Who, Through great effort, bit Jon Anderson on the leg.

And then it ran away.

And all we get is this song.

A Siberian Khat. Tru?

FALSE!

marklovesyes
07-05-2006, 11:47 AM
Well, <i>here</i> is an interesting take on it!

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=EBF60185A95C5C0BA37B337419 14495F?diaryId=8987

marklovesyes
07-05-2006, 03:02 PM
<b>Siberian Khatru?</b>

It's actually an anagram for "Rib Sink The Aura", but Jon thought that would be too easy.

Imperatrix
07-05-2006, 03:25 PM
I'm afraid Helen (whom I have not met) swooped in and delivered the answer I was planning on bestowing. :lmao:

If we ever live in a cold enough climate, and have land, I hope to raise a Siberian Khatru. I promise he will be friendly!

---Matt

Naima won't like this...! :lmao:

CybrKhatru
07-05-2006, 03:28 PM
Naima won't like this...! :lmao:


That thought did cross my mind....:lmao:

But what is one to do? By the time it happens (if ever) Naima will probably be a senior Qatizen. I hope she'll me sufficiently mellowed out enough to not mind!

---Matt

BillGuitar
07-11-2006, 09:29 PM
That thought did cross my mind....:lmao:

But what is one to do? By the time it happens (if ever) Naima will probably be a senior Qatizen. I hope she'll me sufficiently mellowed out enough to not mind!

---Matt

HEY!
I wanna be a Senior Qatizen!
That sounds like much more fun than the senior citizen title!

But that means you have to use a litterbox.

Oh. What? Nevermind...

RealAir
03-01-2008, 09:48 PM
According to Wikipedia, an insect has now been named as a Siberian Khatru, or "Bluetail"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siberian_Khatru

Wakey's #1 Fan
03-02-2008, 07:36 AM
I know the answer:
Khatru is the Yes boys' cat, she appears in the episode "What is Khatru?" (which will be released this summer) of the World of Yes. She's a georgeous white cat with long fur and blue eyes...but she loves scratching Rick's cape...
Jon found her in the rain in a basket alone on his way home. He's trying to hide the kitty from the other Yes members, because Jon isn't sure if they really want a pet.
But at the end all become good friends with Khatru....and she's from Siberia, of course!

A Student of YES
03-02-2008, 08:10 AM
What IS a Siberian Khatru?

It is when you slog out over the Northern Russian Tundra for several days on a pilgrimage of self discovery. Then after many difficult nights, lack of sleep & food, and almost delusional, one day you suddenly have a rush of understanding and the warmth of enlightenment overtakes you, while utterly alone and staring out over the great expanse of wild! Your "Epiphany" or "Khatru"... is Hindu for "faith"
This "Awakening" usually happened in the deserts in the old stories. Jon decided to change the location I guess.
Either way....... now you have to walk all the way back.

It also depends upon how you define the word "IS"

Randy

Deliriumyes
03-02-2008, 11:41 AM
Khatru!


...Gesundheit!

relayeire
03-02-2008, 11:48 AM
What IS a Siberian Khatru?

It is when you slog out over the Northern Russian Tundra for several days on a pilgrimage of self discovery. Then after many difficult nights, lack of sleep & food, and almost delusional, one day you suddenly have a rush of understanding and the warmth of enlightenment overtakes you, while utterly alone and staring out over the great expanse of wild! Your "Epiphany" or "Khatru"... is Hindu for "faith"


interesting... almost makes it seem like a followup to SSOTS...

Wakey's #1 Fan
03-02-2008, 11:54 AM
Khatru!


...Gesundheit!
Hahahahaha...
:dog:

A Student of YES
03-03-2008, 09:23 PM
interesting... almost makes it seem like a followup to SSOTS...

Nahh that was just a trip to the Himalayas, that went bad.

mike on the goldie
03-06-2008, 09:47 PM
I always thought it was a Khatru from Siberia. So the real question is, what is a Khatru?

Answer: the Hindu version of a haiku. At least that's what I thought it was.

Full Tilt Boogie
06-08-2008, 05:30 PM
Having watched all Yes members, past and, ahem, 'present' asked this very question in one interview or another at some time, I can say that not even they know the answer. ;)

Ernie90125
06-08-2008, 05:50 PM
Steve said he didn't know at the Sage Gateshead show last night !

ctask
06-08-2008, 06:08 PM
I always thought it was a distant relative of the squonk.....

:toolcool:

bjlevine
06-23-2008, 03:22 PM
Okay, I haven't read through the whole thread, so don't shoot me if this has already been stated.

Jon has explained that Khatru (Khatri) is an eastern term for "change" (now there's a common Yes theme). The idea of Siberian Khatru is that Russia went from a monarchy to a socialist state (and now to a form of democracy). Thus, even in a remote place like Siberia change takes place. Martin Luthor changed the way people worshipped, etc.

edarnold
08-19-2008, 06:38 AM
Siberian Khatru - A sneeze from a bad COLD

Earl Grey
08-21-2008, 05:03 AM
A Siberian Khatru is (According to Wikipedia. No, not really) an amazing song that has no artistic boundaries, organic, yet counted, a bit of aural wonder by a band called YES.

A most positive song (damned if I can figure out what a 'Luther In Time' is).

:ele:

TNyesfan
08-21-2008, 09:58 PM
A Siberian Khatru is (According to Wikipedia. No, not really) an amazing song that has no artistic boundaries, organic, yet counted, a bit of aural wonder by a band called YES.

A most positive song (damned if I can figure out what a 'Luther In Time' is).

:ele:

I always thought it was a referral to Martin Luther in that he did what he did in the appropriate time frame?

Steve Mahoney
08-21-2008, 10:15 PM
It was something my ex wife used o threaten she would shove up my xxxx when I had YES on the cd player.lol

Jackaranda
08-23-2008, 11:07 AM
I always thought it was a referral to Martin Luther in that he did what he did in the appropriate time frame?

Yeah....my thought exactly.

Jon has that way of mixing in lyrics that really means something with all the nonsense he writes.....and I don't mean nonsense in a bad way, but, you know.....word images. Like in CTTE, the crucifixion and the women, are clear references to Jesus, Mary and the other women present when Jesus was crucified.

Jon's lyrics from the old days are just beyond brilliant.

Jackaranda
08-23-2008, 11:14 AM
I've been doing some research into word origins, and this is some of what I've found:

Originally, a "khatru" was the word for a "ditty" or work song sung during the building of the trans- Siberian railroad during the early 1900's. It stems from the Russian word "Kharkiv" which is a city in the Eastern Ukraine and the western edge of the railroad.

Originally the word was known mostly to the peasantry of the Lake Baikal region, but soon spread, as the folk songs did, until it was part of the vernacular of Russian people everywhere.

By the 1950's, as the result of defections to the West by artists, it's use had extended beyond the borders of the USSR and into Europe and England.

In the 1960's and early 70's, the word "Khatru" was used mostly by musicians who were part of the explosive, creative bohemian scene in England. The word's meaning then connoting the mystical and all- knowing "immortal spirit" within all humanity.

This is the best post on this thread. Good job Earnest!

Jonny
08-26-2008, 09:19 AM
Nah, it's just what they say to a frig in Russia.

Jonny

rmig68
08-26-2008, 09:26 AM
It's a bird of the Urtahk Nairebis genus

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0394800761.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

rmig68
08-26-2008, 09:34 AM
Actually, If I'm being serious, I think it means that you can find something magical anywhere on the earth.

Siberia: Cold, desolate, Soviet controlled at the time

Khatru: A play on Katroo, the whimsical place in Dr. Suess' book. Spelled differently just to give it a more grown-up eastern feel.

"Even Siberia...."


I wish we could do what they do in Katroo
They sure know how to say "Happy Birthday to You!"
In Katroo, every year, on the day you were born
They start the day right in the bright early morn
When the Birthday Honk-Honker hikes high up Mr. Zorn
And let's loose a big blast on the big Birthday Horn.
And the voice of the horn calls out loud as it plays:
"Wake Up! For today is your Day of all Days!"

shortexchanges
08-26-2008, 06:46 PM
Khatru is a made up word from Jon to explain that God is present every where even Siberia. Life in Siberia is harsh but the love of God the creator is still present even here.

I interpret alot of Yes lyrics to correspond to the best ideals of Christianity. Luther in time to me means that the Catholic church needed a kick in the ass (I am a devout Roman Catholic) after a 1000 years of dark ages and corruption. Luther could only have existed in the time following the rennaisance.

Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru. God as revealed by the perpetual change of nature, Khatru is our understanding of this. What a great song!!1

michael
09-09-2008, 01:30 PM
You've just won a two-door, fully equipped Siberian Khatru!!!

a Georgian Malaise...? :(

a Nissan Dilemma...?

crotale2112
09-09-2008, 01:36 PM
You've just won a two-door, fully equipped Siberian Khatru!!!

I hope it has heated seats and a 8 track player. It's cold up there in that siberian zone of life.

neilius
09-09-2008, 01:57 PM
A Siberian Khatru is a potent medicine, used mainly as an analgesic for killing pain.

Siberian Khatru is an alkaloid found in opium and other poppy saps like Papaver bracteatum the Iranian poppy, in concentrations ranging from 0.3 to 3.0 percent. While Siberian Khatru can be extracted from opium, most Siberian Khatru is synthesized from morphine through the process of O-methylation. It was first isolated in 1830 in France by Jean-Pierre Robiquet. Although it is a naturally-occurring opiate, Siberian Khatru can also be made by complete synthesis as well. The effects of the Nixon War On Drugs by 1972 or so had caused across-the-board shortages of illicit and licit opiates because of a scarcity of natural opium, poppy straw and other sources of opium alkaloids, and the geopolitical situation was getting less helpful for the United States. After a large percentage of the opium and morphine in the US National Stockpile of Strategic & Critical Materials had to be tapped in order to ease severe shortages of medicinal opiates -- the Siberian Khatru -based antitussives in particular -- in late 1973, researchers were tasked with and quickly succeeded in finding a way that Siberian Khatru and its derivatives and precursors can be synthesised from scratch from petroleum or coal tar using a process developed at the United States' National Institutes of Health. Numerous Siberian Khatru salts have been prepared since the drug was discovered. The most commonly used are the hydrochloride (freebase conversion ratio 0.805), phosphate (0.736), sulphate (0.859) and citrate (0.842). Others include a salicylate NSAID, and at least four Siberian Khatru -based barbiturates, the cyclohexenylethylbarbiturate (0.559), cyclopentenylallylbarbiturate (0.561), diallylbarbiturate (0.561), and diethylbarbiturate (0.619).

It's basic chemical structure is as follows:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Codein_-_Codeine.svg/298px-Codein_-_Codeine.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Codeine_3d_transparent.gif

Approved indications for Siberian Khatru include:

Cough, though its efficacy in low dose over the counter formulations has been disputed.[7]
Diarrhea
Mild to severe pain
Irritable bowel syndrome
Siberian Khatru is sometimes marketed in combination preparations with the analgesic, acetaminophen (paracetamol), as co-codamol, paracod, panadeine, or Tylenol 3, with the analgesic, acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin), as co-codaprin or with the NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug), ibuprofen, as Nurofen Plus. These combinations provide greater pain relief than either agent alone (drug synergy). Siberian Khatru is also commonly compounded with other pain killers or muscle relaxers such as Fioricet with Siberian Khatru , Soma Compound/, etc. Siberian Khatru products can be obtained with a prescription as a time release tablet (eg. Siberian Khatru Contin(r) 100mg) and Perduretas (50 mg).

The narcotic content number in the US names of Siberian Khatru tablets and combination products like Tylenol With Siberian Khatru No. 3, Emprin With Siberian Khatru No. 4 are as follows: No. 1 - 7˝ or 8 mg (1/8 grain), No. 2 - 15 or 16 mg (1/4 grain), No. 3 - 30 or 32 mg (1/2 grain), No. 4 - 60 or 64 mg (1 grain). The Canadian 222 series is identical to the above list 222=1/8 grain, 292=1/4 grain, 293=1/2 grain, and 294=1 grain of Siberian Khatru.

Injectable Siberian Khatru is available for subcutaneous or intramuscular injection; intravenous injection can cause a serious reaction which can progress to anaphylaxis. Siberian Khatru
suppositories are also marketed in some countries

chipperoo
12-24-2008, 02:19 PM
Khatru' is a Yemeni word meaning 'as you wish' .

9012-jive
12-24-2008, 02:23 PM
Good thread!!

I thought Khatru was a type of dance. That's why they 'go through the motions.'

Gemini
12-24-2008, 02:24 PM
A Siberian Khatru is a potent medicine, used mainly as an analgesic for killing pain.

Siberian Khatru is an alkaloid found in opium and other poppy saps like Papaver bracteatum the Iranian poppy, in concentrations ranging from 0.3 to 3.0 percent. While Siberian Khatru can be extracted from opium, most Siberian Khatru is synthesized from morphine through the process of O-methylation. It was first isolated in 1830 in France by Jean-Pierre Robiquet. Although it is a naturally-occurring opiate, Siberian Khatru can also be made by complete synthesis as well. The effects of the Nixon War On Drugs by 1972 or so had caused across-the-board shortages of illicit and licit opiates because of a scarcity of natural opium, poppy straw and other sources of opium alkaloids, and the geopolitical situation was getting less helpful for the United States. After a large percentage of the opium and morphine in the US National Stockpile of Strategic & Critical Materials had to be tapped in order to ease severe shortages of medicinal opiates -- the Siberian Khatru -based antitussives in particular -- in late 1973, researchers were tasked with and quickly succeeded in finding a way that Siberian Khatru and its derivatives and precursors can be synthesised from scratch from petroleum or coal tar using a process developed at the United States' National Institutes of Health. Numerous Siberian Khatru salts have been prepared since the drug was discovered. The most commonly used are the hydrochloride (freebase conversion ratio 0.805), phosphate (0.736), sulphate (0.859) and citrate (0.842). Others include a salicylate NSAID, and at least four Siberian Khatru -based barbiturates, the cyclohexenylethylbarbiturate (0.559), cyclopentenylallylbarbiturate (0.561), diallylbarbiturate (0.561), and diethylbarbiturate (0.619).

It's basic chemical structure is as follows:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Codein_-_Codeine.svg/298px-Codein_-_Codeine.svg.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3e/Codeine_3d_transparent.gif

Approved indications for Siberian Khatru include:

Cough, though its efficacy in low dose over the counter formulations has been disputed.[7]
Diarrhea
Mild to severe pain
Irritable bowel syndrome
Siberian Khatru is sometimes marketed in combination preparations with the analgesic, acetaminophen (paracetamol), as co-codamol, paracod, panadeine, or Tylenol 3, with the analgesic, acetylsalicylic acid (aspirin), as co-codaprin or with the NSAID (non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drug), ibuprofen, as Nurofen Plus. These combinations provide greater pain relief than either agent alone (drug synergy). Siberian Khatru is also commonly compounded with other pain killers or muscle relaxers such as Fioricet with Siberian Khatru , Soma Compound/, etc. Siberian Khatru products can be obtained with a prescription as a time release tablet (eg. Siberian Khatru Contin(r) 100mg) and Perduretas (50 mg).

The narcotic content number in the US names of Siberian Khatru tablets and combination products like Tylenol With Siberian Khatru No. 3, Emprin With Siberian Khatru No. 4 are as follows: No. 1 - 7˝ or 8 mg (1/8 grain), No. 2 - 15 or 16 mg (1/4 grain), No. 3 - 30 or 32 mg (1/2 grain), No. 4 - 60 or 64 mg (1 grain). The Canadian 222 series is identical to the above list 222=1/8 grain, 292=1/4 grain, 293=1/2 grain, and 294=1 grain of Siberian Khatru.

Injectable Siberian Khatru is available for subcutaneous or intramuscular injection; intravenous injection can cause a serious reaction which can progress to anaphylaxis. Siberian Khatru
suppositories are also marketed in some countries
.

9012-jive
12-24-2008, 02:26 PM
A Siberian Khatru is a potent medicine, used mainly as an analgesic for killing pain.

Tell me you're pulling my leg!

bjlevine
12-29-2008, 02:51 PM
He's pulling your leg.

Micah68
01-05-2009, 04:31 AM
wow - you learn something every day

incidently bill bruford wrote the infamous riff

YYY
01-09-2009, 03:21 AM
It's when you catch a 'Cold' in the remote regions of Russia...

...Gesundheit

erik_1099
01-09-2009, 03:50 AM
I thought Steve borrowed it from Jimi Hendrix; it's the riff from "Hey Joe" sped up.


wow - you learn something every day

incidently bill bruford wrote the infamous riff

Micah68
01-12-2009, 11:21 AM
I thought Steve borrowed it from Jimi Hendrix; it's the riff from "Hey Joe" sped up.

_____

news to me

it is definalty from bill bruford

any one else clarify

Micah68
01-12-2009, 11:23 AM
.

no - your making this up

Micah68
01-12-2009, 11:24 AM
Khatru' is a Yemeni word meaning 'as you wish' .


____


i am sure you are correct

:appl[1]:

YYY
01-22-2009, 11:46 PM
Siberian as you wish? What does that mean?

Micah68
01-23-2009, 08:57 AM
Siberian as you wish? What does that mean?

----

Now we are dealing with Jon Anderson's lyrics here and it is pretty much impossible to fathom ......:headset:

BlueEagle
01-23-2009, 11:22 AM
:teach:After centuries of exhaustive research, the definition of "khatru" has been been narrowed down to one of the following:
a. A measurement of distance to the nearest civilization (equivilent to 47,364 miles)
b. a heavy lead truncheon-like bat used to beat gulag inmates
c. A delicacy made from cabbage stems and snow.
d. A crater caused by a meteor impact.
e. What is said when someone sneezes (roughly translated- "did it get on you?").
;)

wubba
01-24-2009, 01:43 PM
A very cold pair of trousers.

chipperoo
01-24-2009, 01:47 PM
Khatru' is a Yemeni word meaning 'as you wish' .



____

i am sure you are correct

:appl[1]:


'Tis true.

YESYOUANDI
01-24-2009, 02:47 PM
If you are really pi$$ed, you are in the perfect state to come up with some wierd funny gobbledegoop about what a Siberian Khatru is! I'd love to hear your explaination!

You never know, you might find the actual meaning...
The Rosetta stone is sometimes not far from the Blarney Stone!
Just a stone's throw away I think!

Earlie :)

It's track 2 side 2 from Close to the edge.

That's....it.....really.

Cheers fans.

Micah68
01-27-2009, 06:26 AM
It's track 2 side 2 from Close to the edge.

That's....it.....really.

Cheers fans.

____


there is always a smart one isn't there !!!

fatdaddy
01-27-2009, 12:47 PM
Siberian Khatru – A name of an elegant earth based multi-passenger vehicle used for transportation. This transportation device has been claimed to be an unparalleled experience dating back to the late 1960’s. No record of this apparatus has been found prior to that period of time. Discussions and claims of its exquisite benefits of passenger who have experience with the Siberian Khatru flourished in the 1970’s, and to various degrees records of its popularity can be found from that period into the present. Although many attempts have been made to capture 2 and 3 dimensional images of the illusive Siberian Khatru, no consensus has been reached of its actual appearance or form.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>

Mostly Harmless
01-27-2009, 12:51 PM
Isn't it what we're supposed to say when someone sneezes?

fovman
01-27-2009, 01:02 PM
Siberian Khatru: n. A great catastrophic event of epic proportions.
This reference was coined from the historic massive aerial explosion on June 30, 1908 over the Tunguska Region of Siberia.

Khatru: n. great blast - Evenki/Russian
The blast from the Tunguska explosion had first been seen by the Evenki tribe near the scene of the event.

Micah68
02-05-2009, 04:27 AM
it is a blind mouse that is found in the wastelands of siberia

Micah68
03-13-2009, 08:58 AM
Siberian Khatru: n. A great catastrophic event of epic proportions.
This reference was coined from the historic massive aerial explosion on June 30, 1908 over the Tungusta Region of Siberia.

Khatru: n. great blast - Evenki/Russian
The blast from the Tunguska explosion had first been seen by the Evenki tribe near the scene of the event.

___

your making this up !!!


it is a song by YES

CybrKhatru
03-13-2009, 11:35 AM
It's about 8 minutes and 50 seconds on the album/cassette/8-track/CD. :winknudge

57khatru
04-06-2009, 04:19 PM
<DIR>http://www.skepticfiles.org/mys5/names5.htm

mongoose in egyptian.....and it ain't my site.


</DIR>

somissound
04-06-2009, 08:45 PM
My friend said, actually last night, it is a Siberian Karma Sutra... ;)

Gemini
04-06-2009, 09:19 PM
I haven't read this thread, so forgive me if someone beat me to it, but:

If someone said "Siberian Khatru" to me, I'd say "Siberian Gesundheit" back.

Micah68
04-24-2009, 11:00 AM
a figment of jon anderson's mind

acejackalope
07-26-2009, 04:02 AM
After the July 14 (2009) Kansas City concert, when several of us were able to chat with the band outside the Uptown Theatre before they drove away, I was able to talk briefly with Chris Squire as he and Alan sat in the van with their driver and a couple others. Steve had already been driven away and Oliver and Benoit were outside the van talking with other fans.

One of the questions I asked Squire was: "What is a Siberian Khatru?"

His reply: "That's a good question."

He went on to say that he'd heard people ask Jon that question but his tone sounded like he there was no real answer forthcoming. I then lost his attention to others in the van trying to talk with him. Then other fans wanted a moment of this time before he left and I felt it improper to try to regain his attention.

It's one of those questions someone needs to ask Jon during an actual recorded oral history interview. In the meantime, maybe one of you could ask him if you get a chance during his solo tour.

My guess is it's something he made up or paraphrased from an obscure text he was into at the time. He might not even remember.

fovman
07-26-2009, 01:37 PM
Siberian Khatru: n. A great catastrophic event of epic proportions.
This reference was coined from the historic massive aerial explosion on June 30, 1908 over the Tunguska Region of Siberia.

Khatru: n. great blast - Evenki/Russian
The blast from the Tunguska explosion had first been seen by the Evenki tribe near the scene of the event.


___

your making this up !!!


it is a song by YES

Yes ...I know.

I made this up.
...except that the Evenki tribe is a real tribe that resides in the Tunguska region who first saw the blast.

Gotcha!

kirklott
07-30-2009, 06:21 PM
Khatru means roughly "As you wish" in some East Asian language, if I recall.

Earl Grey
07-30-2009, 06:40 PM
Khatru means roughly "As you wish" in some East Asian language, if I recall.

Really? Interesting.

I heard that it was just a 'made up' word of Jon's that sounded cool!

Chris once told me, (around two in the morning at the old Argyle Hotel in Hollywood), "I don't know WHAT the hell I'm singing about on Jon's stuff. I wish Jon could write about a car or a girl, but it's always 'out there'. ...Angel farts and what have you..."

:lmao:

Earl:yesbird:

rphheather
07-30-2009, 07:18 PM
. ...Angel farts and what have you..."


Earl:yesbird:


:lol: Love this!!

Musicplr
08-02-2009, 08:19 PM
"This song has a very profound meaning. Khatru supposedly means "Your will be done" in Yemeni. I haven't found that.
It is a word used for a feminist writing group from the 50s - 70s. Anderson is talking about the life of Christ and
how the message goes all over the world, reaching even the most remote places like Siberia. It talks about how it has changed over time (gold stainless nail, torn through the distance of man) and even includes references to Islam (moongate climber). He's talking about how it was nurtured and kept alive by women under the nose of the cold hearted king. And, with the help of the apostles (Shelter the women who sing, as they produce the movement).
Sure, some of the lyrics are impenetrable, but the metaphor is the same. Please, actually read the lyrics".
Beach Bum




"Bill Bruford asked, during the sessions "Jon. please explain, what is a khatru?" He got no satisfying answer and, tight upon finishing the album, left for King Crimson.
The lyrics are on the obscure side - One could catch a polarity between male and female forces, the male being connected with kingship, violence and war, the female with culture, rebirth and renewal. lyrics don't take anything away from the power and drama of the music."
Tinder Box

Jon Anderson had said that the song title meant 'winter', but the meaning of the song was about the opposite - 'dreams of summer'

yesyadda
08-02-2009, 09:30 PM
Thank you for that post. :thumbs:

RickyG
08-05-2009, 02:05 PM
I've heard the Yemeni "as you wish" or "thy will be done" thing before, but have never seen a confirmation of this.

And there's the Egyptian mongoose name meaning/use of Khatru. (As linked above in post #191)

For those who are interested in such things there is also:

Kaatru/Katru = Tamil word meaning "air" or "wind".

"That’s why the album is named Kaatru, meaning wind which blows across the continents and brings in all the emotions.” ~ Ravin, Tamil musician.

And additionally:
"Katru" means "each" or "every" in Latvian.
katru dienu = daily
katru gadnu = yearly

I like the "wind" thing... particularly "...wind which blows across the continents and brings in all the emotions.”

That seems like an idea Jon would be attracted to.
And Siberian Wind.... has a very "winter" feel to it.....

All of which suggests to me that Jon did not make it up, that he had heard or read the word somewhere and that there was intent behind using it.... in addition to it sounding good.

"Green leaves reveal the heart spoken Khatru"
This is the one actual use of the word in context.
Does it cast even more mystery around the word?
Or maybe consider the wind.....
....the dancing leaves reveal to the eye the existance and play of the wind.

The heart spoken Khatru.... the "wind which blows across the continents and brings in all the emotions"

(And just because Chris doesn't get it, or doesn't attempt to get it, prefers to mock it instead really means nothing to me. That's his choice. His lack of understanding is not an indicator of Jon's intent.)

RickyG
08-05-2009, 10:42 PM
Chris once told me, (around two in the morning at the old Argyle Hotel in Hollywood), "I don't know WHAT the hell I'm singing about on Jon's stuff. I wish Jon could write about a car or a girl, but it's always 'out there'. ...Angel farts and what have you..."

This from the guy who gave us the incredibly well-written, deeply insightful artistically rendered and evolved lyrical vision of "Aliens Are Just Us From The Future". Talk about angels blowing out their back sides...... I think I'd rather not know what I was singing about than sing that one..... :rolleyes: :sneaky:

By the way, Steve once said in an interview some time ago that he thought it was a Sanskrit word though he didn't know the meaning of it.

bjlevine
08-06-2009, 12:22 PM
According to Jon it means "as you will". The theme of the song is change (a common Yes theme). Martin Luthor changed Christianity; even a place as remote as Siberia undergoes change, from monarchy to socialism (to democracy). So hold on...

Earl Grey
08-06-2009, 01:13 PM
This from the guy who gave us the incredibly well-written, deeply insightful artistically rendered and evolved lyrical vision of "Aliens Are Just Us From The Future". Talk about angels blowing out their back sides...... I think I'd rather not know what I was singing about than sing that one..... :rolleyes: :sneaky:

By the way, Steve once said in an interview some time ago that he thought it was a Sanskrit word though he didn't know the meaning of it.

HAHA! Ah well, that's just Chris, ya know? Love his snarky sense of humor, even when I'm the brunt of it!

Bye the way... Late late LATE one night, a few years back, Chris and I had an alcohol-fueled conversation about flying saucers, and I DID mention (drunkenly) that perhaps they weren't aliens, but human time travelers, tourists from the future if you will... Whether Chris forgot where he heard the idea from, or simply nipped my idea for his new song, I don't know, nor do I care.

I'm not looking for a writer's credit for gawd's sake: But I did feel a little flattered! :ele:

I was kind'a bummed that YES had dropped the song from their shows by the time I saw them...

eegee:yesbird::rightG:

bjlevine
08-06-2009, 02:51 PM
About 15 years ago there was a TV movie on the SciFi Channel starring Joe Hardy...ERRR...Parker Stevenson about some Air Force scientists who find an alien in a crashed UFO that turns out to be a human from the future.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0110715/

"There is nothing new under the sun." - Solomon

Earl Grey
08-06-2009, 02:57 PM
About 10 years ago there was a TV movie on the SciFi Channel starring Joe Hardy...ERRR...Parker Stevenson about some Air Force scientists who find an alien in a crashed UFO that turns out to be a human from the future.

"There is nothing new under the sun." - Solomon

True, I certainly didn't come-up with the idea, I just mentioned it to Chris during a late night party, we were all pretty 'toasted', so who knows if he remembered the conversation and wrote the song, or forgot about it and came-up with the idea independently...

Still, I can't help but hope I had a little hand in there: It would be a first for me, that's fer sure! Cheap Thrills Baybay!

URLieGee:yesbird::rightG: :BassPostIcon:

Micah68
09-09-2009, 09:22 AM
True, I certainly didn't come-up with the idea, I just mentioned it to Chris during a late night party, we were all pretty 'toasted', so who knows if he remembered the conversation and wrote the song, or forgot about it and came-up with the idea independently...

Still, I can't help but hope I had a little hand in there: It would be a first for me, that's fer sure! Cheap Thrills Baybay!

URLieGee:yesbird::rightG: :BassPostIcon:

---

good one

do it again with him and before you know where we are we will have a new album !!

:beerchugr:

Earl Grey
09-09-2009, 12:05 PM
A Siberian Khatru is a form of electric eel that not only swims, but has bat-like wings it secrets in little recesses on it's sides, which it can extend, and can take to the air with. Kahtru's are golden in color, but their wings are translucent, with shiny little pearlescent spots on their underside.

You can see them all over the place here in Burbank, I'm surprised you guys haven't heard of 'em: There goes one now!

Ah, the beauty of the animal. It just swooped (swoped? swiped? Swapped?) down on an unsuspecting buisnessman, and made-off with his hairpiece (Barry Madoff? Hair-Peace?).

Oh! even better, it's flying up into the highest branches of a Larch tree (The Larch): It must be nesting! Quite the impressive creature.

:ele:

bjlevine
11-18-2009, 11:08 AM
I keep having to repost this...

According to Jon, Khatru, or Khatri, translates to "as you will". The basic meaning of the song (like many other Yes songs, and even a few Rush songs) is that changes will occur. "Siberia" went from a monarchy to communism (and now to a form of democracy), Martin Luther, by posting his theses, effectively changed Christianity, etc.

crotale2112
12-26-2009, 03:25 PM
:huh:this might be one right here..

Earl Grey
12-31-2009, 08:42 PM
As Khatrus go, the Siberian ilk of the illusive creature is weather resistant, compared to their nearly naked Burbankian relatives.

It's something of a wonder how gracefully the ''Siberian-K's'' are able to swoop and soar above their favored borogroves, considering the amount of bioluminescent fur that covers their eel-like avian bodies.

Yet, the Siberian Khatru is just as nimble and glorious in flight as any other variant of Khatru.

(Q/Unquote: ''Yesapedia'': Khatrus, 'Planetwide variations thereof.')

:ele:

A Student of YES
01-21-2010, 05:01 PM
It's just a long, cold, "Russian Winter Sabbatical"

We sent our Bassist, Keyboardist & Drummer on one recently. It worked out well for us, I certainly hope they are enjoying the quality down time out on the tundra.

BillGuitar
01-21-2010, 05:14 PM
It's just a long, cold, "Russian Winter Sabbatical"

We sent our Bassist, Keyboardist & Drummer on one recently. It worked out well for us, I certainly hope they are enjoying the quality down time out on the tundra.

Yesh - I am actually looking forward to playing. And playing music, as opposed to playing games.

:rightG:

LDVoyageur
06-30-2011, 01:46 AM
I had this conversation with some know-it-all friends many years ago: they all had different answers:

"A Siberian Khatru is a very rare Russian waterfowl that is on the endangered list."

"A Siberian Khatru is a short poem consisting of four stanzas. Sort of like a Haiku."

"A Siberian Khatru is a steppe or a fjiord, or a... Pass that spliff this way for a minute, wouldja? What were we talking about?"


Now, ...What do YOU think a Siberian Khatru is???? Have fun here, that's an order!

Earl The Burl ;-{)>

In fact (truth is stranger than fiction), although Jon allegedly "made it up", it is strikingly similar to Q'ua'tru (pronounced similarly)

Q'ua'tru/k'ha' tru is from one of the seven dialects of the Koryak of eastern Russia. These peoples historically believed in shamanism and soul-dualism, where one soul was able to leave the body and soar to an alternate plane of existence. (As believed by many Shaman-based cultures.) So, maybe Jon was channeling or being channeled by a Koryak Shaman. (or Jim Morrison) Q'ua'tru/k'ha' tru allegedly means Four, which coincidentally is the number of parts in a symphony, like Vivaldi's "The Four Seasons". So perhaps, "Siberian Symphony" is the correct interpretation.

bob_32_116
06-30-2011, 02:28 PM
A Siberian Khatru is, obviously, a khatru from Siberia. Likewise a khatru from Australia would be called an Australian Khatru. I don't see where the puzzle lies.

ballroomblitzkid
07-08-2011, 04:25 AM
I heard from somebody that a "Siberian Khatru" was some sort of herb that can serve for an aphrodisiac or something. Just my guess, really.

Rick N Backer
07-08-2011, 04:35 AM
From 'Classic Rock presents Prog magazine October 2010 in the article 'At last! The Siberian Khatru exposed'

Jon Anderson:
" I'd seen the film Lawrence of Arabia a couple of times and I wanted to know more about arabic energy and the music of Arabia, and the ancient music of Ethiopia. I'm still very interested in it. It's called Amharic music. One of the words that popped up when I was looking into all this was 'khatru' [pronounced Hatru]. It's a Yemen word for 'as you wish.' The idea was to take the lyric, the song, as you wish: you know, you see it for what you want to see it as."

So there you go. Sorry if this has been repeated above already. haven't ploughed back through all the threads.

bob_32_116
07-08-2011, 01:59 PM
From 'Classic Rock presents Prog magazine October 2010 in the article 'At last! The Siberian Khatru exposed'

Jon Anderson:
" I'd seen the film Lawrence of Arabia a couple of times and I wanted to know more about arabic energy and the music of Arabia, and the ancient music of Ethiopia. I'm still very interested in it. It's called Amharic music. One of the words that popped up when I was looking into all this was 'khatru' [pronounced Hatru]. It's a Yemen word for 'as you wish.' The idea was to take the lyric, the song, as you wish: you know, you see it for what you want to see it as."

So there you go. Sorry if this has been repeated above already. haven't ploughed back through all the threads.
You make it sound like a jam session. :D
OK, in that case why "Siberian"? Perhaps the word fitted into the song, so they felt they had to call it that, but "Iberian" or "Arabian" would have done as well.

Rick N Backer
07-10-2011, 05:19 PM
You make it sound like a jam session. :D
OK, in that case why "Siberian"? Perhaps the word fitted into the song, so they felt they had to call it that, but "Iberian" or "Arabian" would have done as well.

Only repeating what was written. Who knows why Siberia. In the end, as with much of Jon's lyrics it wasn't so much about any literal meaning, more about the way words sounded together. Trying to fathom out meanings to them is, well, pointless!

Lonewolf
07-10-2011, 05:45 PM
What's a Siberian Khatru? About $3.80 an hour.

brufy
08-27-2013, 03:58 AM
I had this conversation with some know-it-all friends many years ago: they all had different answers:

"A Siberian Khatru is a very rare Russian waterfowl that is on the endangered list."

"A Siberian Khatru is a short poem consisting of four stanzas. Sort of like a Haiku."

"A Siberian Khatru is a steppe or a fjiord, or a... Pass that spliff this way for a minute, wouldja? What were we talking about?"


Now, ...What do YOU think a Siberian Khatru is???? Have fun here, that's an order!

Earl The Burl ;-{)> (http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/brufy/KHATRU_zps3edbf233.jpg)



Sorry to drag up an old thread, but it makes fun reading

and still, it would seem, an unsolved mystery (http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/brufy/KHATRU_zps3edbf233.jpg)



http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/brufy/KHATRU_zps3edbf233.jpg

Camphire
08-27-2013, 04:00 AM
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/brufy/KHATRU_zps3edbf233.jpg Where did you get that?

Michelle Johnston
08-30-2013, 08:55 AM
كما يحلو لك
خا ترو

OK pay attention Jon Roy told Chris Welch during a vocal over dub session for SK in early summer 1972 that Khatru was a South Yemen phrase which meant "As You Wish"

The slight difficulty with that is the first set of Arabic translates as "As you wish" whereas the second set of Arabic translates as Kha Tru.
However this takes no account of regional variation and JR did say South Yemen. This rather fiendishly leaves out the question of why a Siberian "As you wish". I am going with the thought that Jon occasionally used words because they sounded exotic and fascinating. Its rather like the wonderfully named Topographic Oceans whereas Close To The Edge and Gates Of Delirium are entirely literal in their meaning the former inspired by Siddhatha and the metaphor of the River and the latter according to JR was influenced by the catastrophic ugly war winding up in Vietnam at the time where the United States government were wielding the hammer to protect the local population from ... something which in the end resolved itself from within.

bondegezou
09-03-2013, 12:06 PM
Khatra is a place in West Bengal, while Katra is the name of several places in the Indian subcontinent, so I wonder whether Anderson had heard the word. Katru is also an Indian name. I presume Anderson had heard one of these and the word had sunk into his subconsciousness.

Henry

ragtime
09-03-2013, 03:11 PM
Khatra is a place in West Bengal, while Katra is the name of several places in the Indian subcontinent, so I wonder whether Anderson had heard the word. Katru is also an Indian name. I presume Anderson had heard one of these and the word had sunk into his subconsciousness.

Henry


It is perfectly clear that to Jon and to anyone who listens 'khatru' means whatever you want it to mean - 'as you wish'. And a 'Siberian' Khatru is just a very cool version of whatever it is you want it to be :-)

A Student of YES
12-24-2013, 05:16 PM
I guess it all depends on how you define the word "IS"

somissound
01-21-2014, 06:55 PM
A Russian sneeze........

Ig
02-02-2014, 08:27 PM
Sorry to drag up an old thread, but it makes fun reading

and still, it would seem, an unsolved mystery (http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/brufy/KHATRU_zps3edbf233.jpg)



http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb212/brufy/KHATRU_zps3edbf233.jpg


Where did this picture come from please?

DREAMER
02-03-2014, 07:26 AM
^ I think its on the recent Blu Ray packaging?