YesWest and Talk

[umgekehrt]

Talk is arguably the proggiest the 3 albums from the "YesWest" lineup (Squire-Anderson-Kaye-White-Rabin). This makes it stand at odds with the YesWest fans, who are usually also Trevor Rabin fans (solo stuff/Rabbitt), as his influence is not felt that strongly as in 90125 or Big Generator.

Are you or are you not a YesWest fan and what do you think of Talk?

[Andy56]

I'm of the old school, but I do like Talk, in fact its the one YesWest album I play most of all, mainly because it is less mainstream than BG or 90125. I particularly like The Calling which has some great production, especially on the vocals and (I think I'm right) the ovation guitar at the start. Endless Dream is a bit contrived ("lets write a long song"), but has some good themes, especially where it sounds like the anthem from the Rugby World Cup (listen and see what I mean).

I think that "Where Will You Be" is very reminiscent of Olias of Sunhillow and Angkor Wat from Union - good tune.

A very listenable album.

[umgekehrt]

I guess one could call me a YesWhole because I like Yes in any incarnation, whether with Peter Banks or Steve Howe, Bill Bruford or Alan White, even with Trevor Horn and Geoff Downes. Love the first two albums, especially TAAW, Tales and Relayer from the "middle" period, I also love Drama, Union, Ladder and Magnification.

Having said that, I think that albums by the Chris-Jon-Tony-Alan-Trevor lineup are very unbalanced. There are very good songs in them, as well as bad songs. And the quality difference is huge.

Talk is quite honestly my least favorite album from this period. It does have its moments, but I really have to be in the mood to play it. Today is one of those days, but I probably only play the album in its entirety once a year. Other times it's just to listen to particular songs.

And I'm amused to find that I'm exactly the opposite of Andy56. For me, "The Calling" should not have made the album at all, much less be put as the album opener. While "Endless Dream" is a great song, very proggy, flowing, and doesn't sound "forced" like they just wrote it for the sake of writing long songs. There isn't very much filler in it like in the TFTO songs (but then again, the fillers TFTO are good fillers).

In a way, songs like "The Calling" and "Walls" show a big country influence, especially on Steve's guitar. I've noticed that they happen to be my least favorite songs in Talk. "I Am Waiting" is beautiful, a perfect Yes love song. "Real Love" is another shining moment here. That one and "State Of Play" are my faves from this album.

[Vic Anderson]

i like everything they put out and talk is way up there
if you don't think its a great album listen to it more

[Bugeyes]

I love Real Love and State of Play. They both reached out and grabbed me on the first spin. Real Love for both the lyrics and the music. The tempo has a very calming effect on me. The Calling is beautiful, Walls is definitely country, but not pop country of today. Endless Dream gets me to anticipate but it turns left when I turned right. That's no fun when it hurts my intuition. I listen to Talk at least once a week!

[Vic Anderson]

isn't what is supposed to do?
take you by surprise
man! man! man!

[mikepietrini]

i really liked the talk tour - the band had great energy - i recently got a boot dvd of this show:
Dallas - Starplex Amphitheater - 7/30/94

dvd 1 : Intro, Perpetual change (instrumental), The calling, I am waiting, Rhythm of love, Hearts, Real love (cut), Changes, Heart of the sunrise, Make it easy/Owner of a lonely heart

dvd 2 : Rabin piano solo/And you and I , Where will you be , I've seen all good people, Walls, Endless dream, Roundabout/The star spangled banner

endless dream & Hearts are the stand out songs for this tour ..... i haven't
listened to talk in a while - i think i'll pull it out!

[Hacman]

Talk is arguably the proggiest the 3 albums from the "YesWest" lineup (Squire-Anderson-Kaye-White-Rabin). This makes it stand at odds with the YesWest fans, who are usually also Trevor Rabin fans (solo stuff/Rabbitt), as his influence is not felt that strongly as in 90125 or Big Generator.

Are you or are you not a YesWest fan and what do you think of Talk?

I guess I'm a Yes Whole" fan and I like Talk quite a bit. It took me a while to warm to it - IMO it's not as accessible as 90125 or BG, but now that's why I like it , that is, the different directions the songs go- esp. Endless Dream, which unfortunately I'll never get to see live now.

[Faceintheplace]

Yeswest isn't my favorite period of Yes music, but I think there were some very strong songs on each of the 3 Yeswest albums. I listen to 90125 the most, Talk the least and Big Generator falls kind of right into the middle for me. Talk was my first Yes show and I remember "Endless Dream" being better than on the album. I've heard some boots from the tour and the versions of "Endless Dream" being very good. The song sounds different without all the compression. More improvising and room to breathe made the song sound better to me.

My favorite Yeswest songs are:
It Can Happen
Changes (especially the 9012Live version)
Cinema
Leave It (epeicially the a cappella version)
City of Love
Hearts
Rythym of Love
Big Generator (Remix Version)
Shoot High, Aim Low
Love Will Find A Way
Final Eyes
I'm Running
The Calling
Real Love
Walls
and 1994 tour versions of Endless Dream.

[satyam]

Talk is by far one of the most underrated albums put out by Yes, and I prefer it to Keys Studio anyday and anytime, it provided a high point in Rabin's career and allowed both Tony and himself to leave the band with dignity.
If Talk was not a good album we would not be discussing it toaday, I have to admit at first I did not like it that much but today it is the standout album of the Yes West lineup

[pianozach]

Actually, I'm a Panthtrooperator

Talk is one of my favorite 10 Yes albums: Talk, Tales, Drama, Yessongs, Relayer, Union, 90125, ABWH, Olias and Fish Out of Water (not necessarily in that order, of course).

Honourable mentions to Fragile, CttE, YesShows, Magnification and Time & a Word.

Wierd, huh?

[umgekehrt]

No, not weird. I like roughly the same albums as you.

[Amy]

Talk is my favorite YesWest album. Speaking as a trooper, I will never compare it to anything 70's....it just doesn't come close for me, but I listen to it more than 90125 and I am not a fan of BG at all.

Talk is probably my 3rd favorite post 70's album, with Keystudio and The Ladder taking the lead.

[Dantalion Rides Again]

Talk is arguably the proggiest the 3 albums from the "YesWest" lineup (Squire-Anderson-Kaye-White-Rabin). This makes it stand at odds with the YesWest fans, who are usually also Trevor Rabin fans (solo stuff/Rabbitt), as his influence is not felt that strongly as in 90125 or Big Generator.

I consider myself more of a Yes whole-ist than a Trooper, but of the three 'YesWest' albums I like this one least. There are elements of it that I enjoy, but for the most part I disagree that Rabin's influence is less on this one. I think it's got more of his stamp on it than either of the other albums.

Now, I've listened to Talk way more than either 90125 or BG over the last ten years, just to try and get really comfortable with it and to overcome my biases about the horrifying images that are the artwork for the Talk disc.

And ten years later, I say that Big Generator is still my favorite of the three. (Sorry Jack!) And my conclusion about that is simply that I guess I'm picky about songwriting. One thing that attracts me to Yes the most is the songwriting, and much of Trevor Rabin's writing just doesn't do much for me, what can I tell ya? I suppose I'm mainly a fan of Jon and Steve's songwriting (and Chris's to a degree). Jon Anderson's influence is strongest on Big Generator IMO, and is probably why I like BG most.

I think repeated listening has given me greater appreciation for this album, but I still don't think it's Great. I agree about Endless Dream sounding contrived - in fact a lot of the album sounds less than inspired to me. That's my impression, anyway.

The only song on Talk that I truly love is "I Am Waiting", and even then it's got this bridge that just (for me) really destroys the piece.

[Jackaranda]

:music-smi Kevin..........Kevin..........Kevin...........

I love every phase of Yes. And I love Talk. It's, to my ears, a great album and in the very upper echelon of Yes albums as a whole.

[cinderella]

I'm a Generator all the way with a little Trooper on the side.;)

[Skyward]

What we have now, line-up wise, is by far the best incarnation of YES. Trevor's vastly different guitar style did take the band in a most unexpected direction. Luckily, the open-minded nature common to most YES fans afforded the band continued loyalty and an even more diverse listening base. 90125, though a radical turn, emerged as a wonderful effort and though BG was not quite up to par with its predecesor, a few numbers were truly dynamic. TALK is pure genius in my opinion as evidenced by the enchanting "I am Waiting" and the powerslam/heavenly "Endless Dream". Surely TALK is an effort Jon Anderson never saw coming!

As far as "Walls" being country, well, okay a few guitar licks thrown in for twangy flavor, but to call it country? Ahem...

[Timmo]

I keep trying to like "Talk".

The "talk" tour material was pretty stellar. I just can't get into the 80s crap on the studio release.

[cinderella]

I like everything on Talk except State Of Play.
I just program the cd played to skip it every time.
The rest of the album is fantastic.

[Timmo]

As far as the studio album, to me, most of it blows. Chunks. Hard.

Awful. Almost as bad as the misguided Peter Max cover. Insuffably horrible. Cringe time.

However, like "Tormato," many of these songs just come alive live. The "Talk" era weeds have been a revelation to me.

So personally I rate "Talk" in the same place as "Tormato." Songs badly realized in the studio that become magical on stage.

[Topographic][Sardaukar]

The opening 2 minutes of Endless Dream, 'Silent Spring' is brilliant. This is probably Alan's most technically difficult Yes material from a drummer's standpoint (my brother says) and it's a blast to listen to. I've found there's usually some Yes music that comes close to almost any genre and with 'Silent Spring', I can even impress a few Dream Theater metal heads who otherwise hate Yes.

[Timmo]

Don't knock DT metalheads too much.

I managed to convert a few at Universal.

Plus, "Trial of Tears" reminds me of the boys at they're best back in the day. Fantastic stuff all around.

"It's rainin.' It's raining deep in heaven."

[loulamb]

Talk means a lot to me, because it came along after a long dry spell, and to hear "The Calling" on the car radio was a very cool thing. It also marked the first tour that I got to experience since the late 70's, and was responsible for my re-awakening to Yes Music. I will never forget that tour, Trevor's high energy jamming, Tony back on the B3, Chris grinning through the whole show and cutting up with the audience, Jon and Alan sounding and looking as good as ever, hearing Endless Dream at the end, tears welling up, wondering if that was the last we would hear from Yes. But here we are 11 years later, still basking in the glow of the Symphonic tour, the Ladder tour, the 35 years tour(s). Who woulda' thunk it?

[prem895]

[QUOTE=satyam]Talk is by far one of the most underrated albums put out by Yes, I totally agree

[Jackaranda]

It's always been kinda ironic that Talk was, for me, the best album the west line up made, yet 90125 and BG both easily outsold it.

I've spoken a lot as to the reasons Talk failed commercially. There were a number of them, but not the least of which was Yes fans themselves revolted against it because Steve and Rick weren't on it. The fan magazine at the time hated it (they said Symphonic Music of Yes was far better) because of that fact. I wonder if they ever even listened to it.

It's funny that 10 years later Talk has so much support. It still has it's detractors, but many people now agree that this is maybe the most overlooked album the band has ever done.

[rabinmovies]

Talk is my favourite yes album. It also has the best yes song ever on it too. That is endless dream. The whole album kicks ass and still sounds ahead of it's time.

[Joedude]

I just wish it had a different cover. Almost anything would have been better - by far the worst cover to an album/CD. would have been better. I'm rather fond of the music, however.

[Jackaranda]

I'm not fond of the cover either.....but GFTO is worse, and it's a great album also.

[Dantalion Rides Again]

Great point Jack! Although I have to say I actually think the Talk cover is worse. That pink mess of a disc image just puts it over the edge, IMO. But good point nonetheless.

[cinderella]

I gave up on the Yes album covers after 90125. I loved the Trevor era of Yes but the album covers were unbearable.

[pianozach]

Oh come now people, let's be a little open minded in regards to the cover of Talk. It was fresh, original, bright, and colorful. No it wasn't Roger Dean. But it was a far cry better than some others I could name.

speaking of which, I think I will. Name them, that is.

Ok, how about Open Your Eyes? What in the Sam-Hill was that? Great big day-glo Yes logo? Screaming from the CD bin "Remember us? We're not quite dead yet!"

And what about "Big Generator?" Oh THERE'S a type font that screams "We're moving forward not backward."

Even the cover for 90125 (and 9012Live, by default) are pretty dull. Oo-o-oo, it was made using a COMPUTER! Mmm-mm-m-m-m, mighty fine work there. O.K., granted, there wasn't a whole lot of inspiration from the album TITLE, but, hey, I'll bet Hipgnosis could have rocked the boat.

Oh, and you just gotta love the American cover for A Time and a Word! And the English cover for Yes!.

Any other stupid covers? Tormato? The front was bad enough, but the band photo on the back . . .

Oh, and the front of Magnification was sure interesting, wasn't it?

All right, I've said quite enough about the cover of Talk. It wasn't bad. It was pretty good, actually. I think it just got an unjustified bad rap from the Troopers, just like the album itself.

[Amy]

I never put much effort into whether or not I like the artwork. It amazes me how important that is to so many. It's the music that counts after all....at least when it comes to music! I find there's very little I don't like when it comes to art....at the same time, it takes something pretty spectacular for me to say, "WOW!!" Off topic, I suppose....just something I've been wanting to say.

[Dantalion Rides Again]

Oh come now people, let's be a little open minded in regards to the cover of Talk.
....

... It wasn't bad. It was pretty good, actually. I think it just got an unjustified bad rap from the Troopers, just like the album itself.
No way dude. I like the BG art better. And the 90125 art. Hell, I'll even take the American TAAW over the Talk art! It's just ugly all around to me. Even the font bugs me!

I don't think all troopers (and I don't consider myself a 'trooper') give it a bad rap that's unjustified. I've really given the album the fairest shake. I know what it is, what it sounds like, what the lyrics are, how the music goes. And worst of all I'm very much aware of what it looks like.

:D

[Bugeyes]

Did someone say Bugs? :angel: I just love you Dantalion, what can I say besides Dragons don't use ketchup?

I am very much a Trooper, but because of Talk I am certainly being made a YesWhole. I'm even letting Drama crawl into the CD player. Of course, sometimes I just play Tempus Fugit. But when I feel daring, I listen to Machine Messiah. But only after I have prepared my safe place to run to. I'm giving YesWest a shake.

CDs and books have a lot in common. You can't always tell by the cover.

[pianozach]

I never put much effort into whether or not I like the artwork. It amazes me how important that is to so many. It's the music that counts after all....at least when it comes to music! I find there's very little I don't like when it comes to art....at the same time, it takes something pretty spectacular for me to say, "WOW!!" Off topic, I suppose....just something I've been wanting to say.

Actually, Amy, I'm the one who's off-topic. I think your observation is right-on: "It's the music that counts . . . "

For awhile, in the later sixties and seventies, the art work for an album was considered to be an integral part of the album experience. But like most everything else, it is now simply a calculated marketing move.

But the topic is "YesWest and Talk." As I said before, "Talk is one of my favorite 10 Yes albums, as is "90125." However, "Big G" is not: Until recently I found very little to enjoy in it. Lately, howe'er, I've started discovering it's cleverness. Which brings me to the other YesWest album, "9012Live:" What in the world was the company (and/or band) thinking? Completely missed the joy of what was probably a wonderful concert tour.

I'm not sure if "Union" falls under the YesWest banner, or if it's simply a remake of "Sybil." Mind you, I really do love "Union;" it's just a bit directionless (or maybe "disjointed" is the word I'm looking for).

[Timmo]

At least the nekkid guy they put on GFTO has a great butt.

[Scooty]

I'm not sure if "Union" falls under the YesWest banner, or if it's simply a remake of "Sybil." Mind you, I really do love "Union;" it's just a bit directionless (or maybe "disjointed" is the word I'm looking for).

Union isnt a Yes album,
its the evil stepchild of corporations going for the big money grab...and it failed..miserably.
I just can't listen to this album anymore..although I did like Lift Me Up and Shock To The System Live...This album is a joke.

Talk??
I change my mind every month about this one. Sometimes I really dig it, other times not.
In saying that though, live..the Talk material really really jammed.

[Amy]

For awhile, in the later sixties and seventies, the art work for an album was considered to be an integral part of the album experience. But like most everything else, it is now simply a calculated marketing move.

Yeah, I remember! It definitely WAS part of the experience. How I LOVED getting a new album...and would just look at it as I listened to it. CD's don't quite cut it, do they? A big loss there.

I guess what I was trying to say, was that I'm surprised how important it still is, because that experience of getting a new vinyl, enjoying the artwork..and just absorbing the whole new album experience....is gone! So the artwork isn't even part of the equation for me anymore. How sad!! Now I'll ponder all day on the loss of vinyl! LOL! I guess I've accepted the loss of enjoying the fantastic artwork of the 70's albums, along with the change in the music..and just don't expect much anymore. :(

On a happier note, I enjoy Talk a lot...I don't find the artwork offensive in any way....although I do find it simple. It kind of fits though, doesn't it? The music is simpler. (Some will argue there, I'm sure), but to me...it is definitely simpler. I mean....just look at Tales! The artwork is the best.....just like the music.

[Amy]

At least the nekkid guy they put on GFTO has a great butt.
That is a great butt!
I had mixed feelings on that album cover when it first came out. A big loss there from the previous albums also, but I did find the idea quite clever. I don't find that offensive either.

Now that I've interrupted enough....back to YesWest and Talk.....

[pianozach]

Talk album cover

It wasn't the only non-Dean cover now was it?

Why is it hated more than, say, OYE, T&aW, or BG?

[hawkingsmind]

I love Talk. It was when I knew I'd be a Yes fan all my life.

I wish they'd made more songs like Real Love and The Calling.

Open Your Eyes is good also. Especially New State of Mind and Universal Garden.

[Silent_wings]

Welcome to Yesfans Hawking's Mind
great screen name
You'll like it here we a friendly bunch

Me I'm a Yes whole(hole) whatever;)
I love Talk it's a wonderful album
Endless Dream is one of my favorites

[Rick N Backer]

When I first heard Talk back in 1994 I hated it. When I last heard it a few weeks ago I only mildly disliked it, so that's progress!

It's one of those albums that leaves me cold. No emotion, clinical and over-produced.

Sorry.

[pianozach]

Yeah, I remember! It definitely WAS part of the experience. How I LOVED getting a new album...and would just look at it as I listened to it. CD's don't quite cut it, do they? A big loss there.

I guess what I was trying to say, was that I'm surprised how important it still is, because that experience of getting a new vinyl, enjoying the artwork..and just absorbing the whole new album experience....is gone! So the artwork isn't even part of the equation for me anymore. How sad!! Now I'll ponder all day on the loss of vinyl! LOL!

Hey remember the actual label on the record? sometimes that was part of the artwork as well. Sometimes it was different on the other side!

I used to have a copy of the Beatles' "White album" on White vinyl!! Woo-hoo. AND I actually PLAYED it!

[pianozach]

Oh . . . and remember opening up YesSongs for the first time. OMG! A Roger Dean cornucopia! An artwork orgasm.

Well, you get the idea . . . :D

[pianozach]

Sorry, did I drag the thread around in the woods?

Talk: Great album. I love it.

[pianozach]

Union isnt a Yes album,
its the evil stepchild of corporations going for the big money grab...and it failed..miserably.
I just can't listen to this album anymore..although I did like Lift Me Up and Shock To The System Live...This album is a joke.

Talk??
I change my mind every month about this one. Sometimes I really dig it, other times not.
In saying that though, live..the Talk material really really jammed.
As I understand it, what ended up as Union started as a 2nd ABWH studio album that the suits felt didn't have any hits. Jon called Trevor out of the blue and asked if he had any songs that he could contribute. He said he wouldn't unless he was involved somehow. It just sort of snowballed from there.

Trevor said that he never even met Rick, Bill or Steve until after the album was released.

But I enjoy listening to the album in spite of it's plethora of studio musicians and schizophrenic make-up. although I'm not so fond of the opening song, "I Would Have Waited Forever." I'll sometimes just start at song two, or play the CD on shuffle mode.
:1loudspkr

[cinderella]

I love a comment Trevor Rabin made about the Union tour.
He said, "I don't know how this is going to work out. We're getting roadies, but we might need referees."

:offtopic: Sorry I'm off topic again, but....

[True Believer]

How could anyone not love Endless Dream?

[neilius]

To be honest, when Talk was released my first reaction was 'where's wakeman howe and bruford' , it was a dissapointment to see these guys absent.
Nevertheless, i still bought it and thought it was a bit commercial for yes ( Im sure they were pushing for a hit single. imo.) but still a good album. Thinking about it, i've not heard it for about a year. I'll give the disc a spin at some point this weekend.

[cinderella]

I love Talk. It was when I knew I'd be a Yes fan all my life.

I wish they'd made more songs like Real Love and The Calling.


Real Love is brilliant! It has one of my most favorite guitar solos by Trevor.
It's at the end of the song and it's amazing. When I listen to it with headphones, I love the way it pans back and forth in my head. What a rush!! :headset:

[Mostly Harmless]

I'm a trooper but I do like Talk. That said, I also feel it was a bit over-produced.

[Enoch]

I like everything on Talk except State Of Play.
I just program the cd played to skip it every time.
The rest of the album is fantastic.
Oh, you are missing out! This is my favorite song from this album. I wish I could get to to see why I think it's such a fantastic song so you could enjoy it too.

[Enoch]

I never put much effort into whether or not I like the artwork. It amazes me how important that is to so many. It's the music that counts after all....at least when it comes to music! I find there's very little I don't like when it comes to art....at the same time, it takes something pretty spectacular for me to say, "WOW!!" Off topic, I suppose....just something I've been wanting to say.

Coming from a time when vinyl was king, I can testify to the "ritual" that album cover art had. Since LP's were so much bigger than CD's, album art was more important; and still is to those of us who liked the fact that Big Bamboo had a giant rolling paper in it.

[YESOLA]

Coming from a time when vinyl was king, I can testify to the "ritual" that album cover art had. Since LP's were so much bigger than CD's, album art was more important; and still is to those of us who liked the fact that Big Bamboo had a giant rolling paper in it.

Funny thing I thought of Talk when I saw Peter Max on the field at a Yankee game.

[yarstruly]

I am a "Universal-YESt"...I think each line up had something great to offer...and Talk is in the top 10 Yes albums for me...

[Jackaranda]

How could anyone not love Endless Dream?

That's my girl!:appl[1]:

[True Believer]

That's my girl!:appl[1]:
:valintine:

[relayerjim]

I definitely, absolutely lean Trooper but like it all.
Endless Dream…….is a great great song and Talk is the best of YesWest…….

[CerebralJazz85]

I'm a Yes - Journeyman (still trying to see if this sticks. sounds a little catchier than Yes - Whole, and signifies that we're in it for the long haul). Yep, I'm a Journeyman and I love 'Talk'....now. Didn't before when I had some preconceived notion of what Yes was supposed to sound like. Now, I just look at it, along with the rest, in its context of time and place. This one is my least favourite of the 3 and 1/4 Yeswest albums, but that doesn't mean that it gets limited airplay over here. It's a good album - a good Trevor Rabin album that members of Yes contributed in writing and performing. If you listen to this and Trevor's "Can't Look Back", which I also like to a smaller degree, you can see some similarities in direction.

And the reason this sounds like a Rabin album, along with things like - 'saving my heart', is because the other members - specifically one Christopher Squire - had limited involvment and input in its creation. I remember reading something at the time that alluded to Chris not being there during sessions and the collaboration dynamic was left to Trevor and Jon. That's always bad news, especially for me - 'cause Chris is my favourite writer of the lot. The reason why 90125 is held in greater esteem is because Chris' stamp is all over the thing and the album overtly sounds like a Yes release, albeit, and updated one. On that album, it sounds like Trevor is given his 'equal share' of the pie in which to roam and do his thing. On 'Talk' , as well as a couple tracks on Union, it sounds like Rabin has taken bites outta other's portions of the pie. That doesn't mean that the final product is not good, even great, it just means that its less 'Yes' and more Rabin.

There's great music on Talk, most of it even. It's got a very poppy direction but I'm ok with that. I jumped into the waters of Yesworld during the 90125 era and knew only that album and the compilation 'Classic Yes'. Talk has great accessible melodies and impeccable vocal harmonies. Harmonies which would have been impossible if not for Trevor Rabin. I'm fond of it also 'cause I met Trevor and Jon at a record signing in NYC for the album. I love what Yes has done since Rabin's departure, but wouldn't argue for a second if he were to return for another session.

[Enoch]

I'm a Yes - Journeyman (still trying to see if this sticks. sounds a little catchier than Yes - Whole, and signifies that we're in it for the long haul). Yep, I'm a Journeyman and I love 'Talk'....now. Didn't before when I had some preconceived notion of what Yes was supposed to sound like. Now, I just look at it, along with the rest, in its context of time and place. This one is my least favourite of the 3 and 1/4 Yeswest albums, but that doesn't mean that it gets limited airplay over here. It's a good album - a good Trevor Rabin album that members of Yes contributed in writing and performing. If you listen to this and Trevor's "Can't Look Back", which I also like to a smaller degree, you can see some similarities in direction.

And the reason this sounds like a Rabin album, along with things like - 'saving my heart', is because the other members - specifically one Christopher Squire - had limited involvment and input in its creation. I remember reading something at the time that alluded to Chris not being there during sessions and the collaboration dynamic was left to Trevor and Jon. That's always bad news, especially for me - 'cause Chris is my favourite writer of the lot. The reason why 90125 is held in greater esteem is because Chris' stamp is all over the thing and the album overtly sounds like a Yes release, albeit, and updated one. On that album, it sounds like Trevor is given his 'equal share' of the pie in which to roam and do his thing. On 'Talk' , as well as a couple tracks on Union, it sounds like Rabin has taken bites outta other's portions of the pie. That doesn't mean that the final product is not good, even great, it just means that its less 'Yes' and more Rabin.

There's great music on Talk, most of it even. It's got a very poppy direction but I'm ok with that. I jumped into the waters of Yesworld during the 90125 era and knew only that album and the compilation 'Classic Yes'. Talk has great accessible melodies and impeccable vocal harmonies. Harmonies which would have been impossible if not for Trevor Rabin. I'm fond of it also 'cause I met Trevor and Jon at a record signing in NYC for the album. I love what Yes has done since Rabin's departure, but wouldn't argue for a second if he were to return for another session.
All true. BUT ! Wouldn't it be nice if a new "Trooper" album came out? YES!!!!!!!!

[Senor Mono]

How about a new album with 3 long form songs produced by:

1.Eddie Offord
2.Trevor Horn
3.Trevor Rabin

and the band on all songs:

Anderson
Bruford
Downes or Moraz
Howe
Rabin
Squire
Wakeman
White

This could make for an interesting, 1 time only project
then Bruford, Rabin, and Horn could return to their other duties after the recording and a small tour of big venues in big cities.?

After that---classic 5--- album and tour!

[CerebralJazz85]

Yessiree bob. It definitely is right 'round that time for a new release. And, if its gunna be the last one, they should do something cool, like trying to encorporate a larger share of the Yesfamily. But, as we know from the past (Tormato, Paris '79), even having 5 in one room can be too much sometimes.

And its not like I don't have alot to tied me over in the interim, 'Circa ' being one item, but I too crave a new Yes release.

[Jackaranda]

I love every phase of Yes. And I love Talk. It's, to my ears, a great album and in the very upper echelon of Yes albums as a whole.

...and I still feel that way.

[90125yes]

i love every phase of yes

as alan white says yes are always looking over the horizon

in terms of pure yes music , the classic line up is best

but we also have to realise that all the musicians that have played in yes are so talented that any lineup at any time could play any song

so illustrate a similar point - look at circa with the yes melody they did on the live dvd - fantastic

[rabinmovies]

I'm a yes west fan 100%. I've always wished that Big Generator could have sold millions and that both Love will find a way and rhythm of love would have been massive top chart hits. Would Jon had stayed with the band then i wonder?
If so, there could have been more Yes west albums, because to me, Trevor Rabin's songwriting is just remarkable!! Music had never moved me so much from his songwriting. Talk is my favourite album of all time, with Can't look away a close second.

[luna65]

I'm a yes west fan 100%. I've always wished that Big Generator could have sold millions and that both Love will find a way and rhythm of love would have been massive top chart hits. Would Jon had stayed with the band then i wonder?

I think there might have been more pressure to stay, but on the other hand, Jon didn't seem to be happy with the predominant musical style (or the power structure); I've always found it somewhat ironic that he turned to Trevor for help when it seemed his grand experiment was coming apart. But all in all, it was just too volatile a structure to endure, IMO.

[rabinmovies]

Yes, i've read numerous articles stating Jon did it for the music instead of the money and chasing the top 10. But yet he stayed after the the huge success of 90125. However, i can remember reading an interview in a UK rock mag with Squire and he accused Jon of having 'lead singers disease' at the time when he left to form ABWH.

[90125yes]

apart from 90125 , yes did not quite reach the dizzy heights with the yeswest lineup

they started to go in the right direction with billy and igor

it just had to come back together properly with the classic lineup

[Melissa]

Yes, i've read numerous articles stating Jon did it for the music instead of the money and chasing the top 10. But yet he stayed after the the huge success of 90125. However, i can remember reading an interview in a UK rock mag with Squire and he accused Jon of having 'lead singers disease' at the time when he left to form ABWH.


How does staying after 90125 contradict doing it for the music instead of the money? :confused: