Bill Bruford or Alan White

[The Fish]

Which drummer is better at YES, William or Alan ?

I vote for BILL!

[roundabout219]

Depends on the song. I'd rather hear Bill play "Heart of the Sunrise" and Alan on "Leave It", etc.
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[Dragonfly]

Bill's my choice but only because I prefer Jazz to Rock N Roll. He's not on my favorite album, though: RLEAYER.

In fact, it was "Sound Chaser" that got my friend - who was a die-hard Bruford fan - to even concider that Alan was worth listening to.

Dragonfly :yesbird:

[The Fish]

If Bill played on TALES ON TOPOGRAPHIC OCEANS, it would have been my favorite album.

Now I have to choose for FRAGILE.

[charl8e]

I didn't vote, because my favorite YES drummer is Bill White. Alan Bruford's pretty good, too, though...

[RobAdams]

Don't forget Brew Whiteford.

[charl8e]

Didn't he play with Mabel Greer's Crimson Plastic Ono Band?

[crazedyesfan]

i'm not really sure.....both are great drummers...but i'm leaning more towards bill bruford

[Jackaranda]

Different styles--yes. Different loyalties--Yes. Bill stayed 5 years. Alan, 30. I'll take Alan. Besides, he ROCKS!!!

[YYY]

I recently listened to "YESSONGS" again after many years. And again, without consiously thinking about it, my ears would notice the classy, safisticated quality of Bills playing on 'Long Distance', 'The Fish' and 'Perpectual Change'. This happens everytime I listen to YES. If BIll's playing, I notice. He has a style that is as distinct as Steve guitar, Chris' bass or Jon's voice. Again I love Alan for being there, but if Bill had stayed, everything they did after he left would have sounded even better. If you can believe that

[mrgone3]

I knew someone would post this question.You can't answer it correctly.Bill laid down the foundation with his polyrhythmic approach to progressive rock.It may have been he who opened the doors to the future for our band.But Alan had to learn the stlyle and songs in just three days.He had played with Lennon.I knew he was a decent drummer.But I was surprised when I heard Tales and Relayer that he could create a new style.The drummer is the heart of the band.If it stops beating the music is over.Alan has stayed faithful to YES almost 30 years now. JOE :drummer::drummer:

[YYY]

Alan is wonderful and loyal and the reigning drummer of YES for last 30 years. No doubt and I respect and love him for the work that he has created with the band. Yet Alan is also a consistant player as well. He plays perfectly without making obvious waves. I like the waves. I like being surprized, as I am with the other members. I like hearing the drummer do something that makes me sit up and marvel. Bill would do this to me all the time, Live and on the recordings. I've seen him 3 times many years ago and he is a very clever and safisticated player. In the interview with Tim Morse, Steve Howe describes Bill's approach (and the reason why I like Bill so much) in his comments.

"Bill is so present on that record, his presence - as he was ever present on all the records he appears on. The kind of arranging that Yes did on it was the kind of arranging I thought Yes should always do. In "No Experience Necessary" or "Everydays", where the band would stop and go (sings guitar break) that reeks of Yes-ism. It has certain devices that I like, certain clear-cut devices that you can install in a piece of music. Yes did the same thing in arranging, maybe we still do the same thing today and Bill was a great advocator of originality in Yes arranging on the first five albums, because he refused to play anything conventional at all."
Steve Howe

[YESiDrum]

Gotta love 'em both!

I find bruford to be my main influence...he was one of the reasons why i drum!

I love Bruford's artistry behind the kit...it fit the Yessongs of that time perfectly...but if you have Bill behind the kit now, it would be too much...this is where Alan's style makes him perfect for this Yes period...(sorry if this sounds like constant rambling...i'm sick..::cough cough:: and under the influence of some nifty cold medicine)

ciao,
S.D.
"after 473 hours, it is no longer considered playing..."

[Flo]

Alan or Bill, I don't mind. As long as Yes remains alive, that's what counts to me. Both are true Yes members and can keep the Yes flame burning.

[YYY]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by YESiDrum
[B]Gotta love 'em both!

I love Bruford's artistry behind the kit...it fit the Yessongs of that time perfectly...but if you have Bill behind the kit now, it would be too much...
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Just the opposite. what YES needs now IS a Bruford (of the 70's)
style drummer to add that edge. When the drummer is really innovative and progressive, he influences the bass and everyone kicks up a notch. I would love for YES to still have that surprizing edge that they had in their early days. Again I love Alan but I have always felt that Bill would have taken YES yet even further into the insane amazing world of progressive rock (had he'd stayed).

[Plastic Man]

bill has more skills.

[Q]

It is true that Bill's influence on progressive rock exceeds that of any other drummer; his reach extends beyond Yes.

But success in a great band is about more than skill - it's also about great attitude and team spirit. Alan has all three, in buckets. My vote goes to Alan ...

[YYY]

What if Alan was a horrible drummer? Would team spirit and loyalty mean anything then? I don't think so.

But while Alan is a great drummer, Bruford had more imagination,
versatility and personality in his playing. So much for team spirit

[gt76yesman]

Bruford is one of my top two favorite drummers, and I loved what he has done in EVERY group he has played with. I voted for him here, but I would not want him to return to YES.

Alan did what Bill could not do. Stay in the best place to be. If I got the throne in YES I wouldn't give it up! And neither has Alan. Alan is awesome, maybe Top10 all-time drummers AND he stuck with the band!!!

[Joedude]

I hate choosing sides on this one. Very difficult, since I believe they both are excellent drummers with quite different technique.

I believe Yes wouldn't quite be like Yes without the adventuresome Bruford there at the beginning.

[Koko]

Both superb Drummers...but Bill Wins It for how I feel his melodic
style worked better within the Yes Composing realm than Alans
more straightforward approach...Sounds daft but Alan has been in Yes Longer than Bill ever was...but still feels like the 'new' drummer on the block...

Though I think Alana's Drumming/Percussion on 'Magnification' was 'Melodic'...hhmmmm ???

Chikka Boom Chikka Boom Chikka Boom Boom Boom.

Meep ! Meep!.

[maninawhitecar]

This is sooo hard! I feel that Bill's style of playing is what I like best. His kick drum blows me away....and the fact that he was the drummer when I started listening plays in to this as well. Alan on the other hand, played on their biggest selling album, and was perfect for that style. I haven't found a Yes album I haven't liked. Why choose? They are both great in their own way. Just had a thought...what would Yes be like with Terry Bozzio in the hot seat? Or how about one of the great jazz players?

[HighTheMemory]

I definitely chose Bill Bruford. he was perfect for the band, and was great when he was there. But Alan gets props too. His drum solo on Sound Chaser was just heavenly, alan is a good drummer and all, but he cant play bills songs. He can manage with Close to the edge NOW, but his version on Yessongs was very choppy and rough. Now I thought his playing on the yessongs version of Heart of the Sunrise absolutely TERRIBLE. He did about as good of a job on that than Animal from the muppets. But I feel that with Tales and relayer, bill missed out. I hate him for leaving YES.

[illusion]

Alan's playing on every live album is perfect after Yessongs. And perfect for the most part of Yessongs too. Remember - Alan only had a couple of weeks to rehearse for the tour.

[YYY]

Here I go again trying to present the facts about why Bill is better.

The obvious reasons are:
-Bill's playing is more creative and PROGRESSIVE
-Bill's hated playing straight 4/4 rhythms. Ask Steve, who really liked that about him because it made the music much more interesting and unpredictable.
-Bill's was as good of a drummer as Steve was a guitar player, as Chris was a bass player, as Jon a singer and Rick a keyboardist.
-Bill's work with King Crimson was the best of their career and it's amazing (just those three guys) and later with revamped KC in the 80's
-Bill's made some brilliant solo albums plus his 'Earthworks' throughout the 80's ( his Jazziness is just the kind of influence that YES needed at that time. That's why Moraz was so cool with them. They added a touch of fusion that expanded YES horizons.
-Sadly Alan hasn't done anything but YES (even bad YES in the 80's) during his career. Instead of being so loyal, I think he should have experimented and written more music on his own.
-I'm happy that he's stayed with YES but I respect him less for not creating more personnal interesting music.
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Are these enough reasons. Now, Can we put this to rest!

I'm listening to Bruford's Earthworks 87 right now. Brilliant!!!!
Where are all of White's CD's?

[lindil]

I can't fault white for not being a song writer or band leader. On the contrary I give him some credit , he put out one bad album and knew not to waste his time again! Chris on the other hand put out a great album and can't get it tgether to do another one.

Bill however incredible his playing w/ Krimson is [ and it's the best drumming I have ever heard] did not fare so well w/ ABWH [ and he was playing w/ his buddy Tony !] and really sat too far back in the Union tour. On the other hand I love his work on an evening of yes music +. His playing on awaken on my Union boot is very nice too. though clearly he was holding back [ admirable restraint fripp would call it].

Why he did not work out on the union tunes [ studio cd] is I think due to the conservative and rather lame song writing. but there are places on the 1st 2 tunes where had he played as he did w/ crimson it would have turned avg tunes into great ones. puzzling.

While I wish he had stayed w/ yes through Relayer at least, we would never have had larks tounge 2 , fracture and red. BB clearly does not regret the move, he wanted more freedom. Although eventuall in the 80's fripp would try and reign in the beast he helped mold. his time w/ jamie Muir also was [to him] think v. important.

One further paradox is Gft1, while this is my favorite yes album I thin kalan's playing was awesome.


White also did great on much of Magnification.

however I think a comparison of white and BB's playing on yes album --> CttE shows clearly who is the master.

as was mentioned above Bill was a true equal w/ Chris, Steve, Jon and Rick, this amazing situation was never fully to repeat itself until 80's Crimson w/ discipline and beat. [although some would put the 72/3 crimson band in that league]

put more simply bill was/is an equal in terms of creativity and skill w/ the other four 'classic ' yessers. alan is 90% of the time is more of a traditional supportive drummer .
in my opinion the so called "classic Yes" is def the bruford lineup.

I am listening to the remastered [ not sure how true it is of the unremastered] Fragile and it is amazing how far up in front of the mix Bill is.

[YYY]

I do agree- no doubt Alan's a good drummer. Bill wasn't meant
to be with one group forever. He needed to explore various forms of music, which is why I really admire him. And I too wish that he could have been 2 people at once in order to have produced those KC albums and also continued with YES through RELAYER.

YES seems to be at their best as a collective. I've always wondered why Chris didn't do more work outside of YES. Its seems that they are strongest when they are together. Interesting!

[Trevor Walker]

I voted for Alan.

We all believe Bill is technically and creatively better than Alan and that our love of Yes music is a love of virtuosity.

But I think Alan's playing is more emotional and empathic. He helps to frame the playing and singing of the other members without taking centree stage. He drives when needed and forms a good partnership with Chris in the rhythm section.

IMO emotion just edges it over technical brilliance.

[PastPresentMover]

Well, I am probably among the unpopular on this one, but in my opinion, :1loudspkr Alan is much better suited for YES. Bill's sound just isn't big enough for me. He is obviously incredibly skilled, and if I was interested in hearing a drum soloist, maybe Bill would be in the picture. But I prefer Alan. He is like a rock. To me it seems like he is more interested in laying the foundation and keeping it together, than coming up with intricate drum patterns. I would like to hear some updated sounds from Alan, especially on disc. But by and large, IMHO, Alan is the man.:drummer: But man, someone needs to talk to Alan about those spandex. I almost can't look at him when he comes off the kit to take his bow:nono: A man should not wear spandex, unless he's got a butt like Barishnikov ( I know that's spelled wrong) and even then he should remain under lock and key.:D

Peace Everyone

Slam

[jcostello]

Originally posted by mrgone3
:drummer::drummer:

I'd take both of them. If a gun was held to my head and I was forced to choose, I guess Bruford.

Peace, Love, and I Think You People are Too Hard on Carl Palmer,

John C.

[yes_angel]

indeed a tough choice! I'd have to go with my heart and say ,,,,,,,,, drum roll pleaseeeeeeeeeee Alan!!

[Mr. Holland]

It is so heard to compare the two, such different styles and aproaches. Bill has his roots in jazz, Alan in rock, that is a major difference. Bill's unique style of playing and aranging has been of major influence on TYA, Fragile and CTTE, but would he have been the right drummer for Keys, the Ladder or Mag?? I have my doubts if his style would have fitted the songs on those albums. As far as the queastion of loyalty has got something to do with it, I think it does. Some say that nobody would have said anything about loyalty if Alan had been a crap drummer, but there would have been no need to, 'cause if he would have been a crap drummer, they would never have asked him to join the band in the first place.
So for the fact that Alan filled in so great on the CTTE tour and for everything he contributed to the band after that, he gets my vote!

[Dr Yes]

I go for Alan every time with this one.

Whereas Bill Bruford is a great jazz oriented drummer, Alan is far more versatile and gives Yes a far heavier sound.

Added to this I think that of the two, Alan White has progressed far more than Bruford, who remians decidedly up his own arse in the "jazz is better than anything" stakes.

Not only did ALan leaqrn the set quickly, he successfully moulded it to his style without losing the flavour. His playing has matured and gotton better over the years - by way of Tales and Relayer along the way, and now he's integral to the band in so many ways.

Plus, I am not convinced by the whole Bill's more technical lobby. If that is the case answer this one for me:

If Bruford is better, why do none of the Yes tributes I know (including ours) have the balls to tackle Relayer?

And before anyone snipes - I maintain that White sits at the heart of gates and is the only one who's got a clue what's going on in the battle section. And though I am a guitarist, I defy anyone to say it's not difficult to find the bactbeat in many parts of the song.

So leave ALan alone. He walks all over Bill in so many ways, and unlike that pretentious jazz snob, is apparently a nice bloke to boot.

:D

[bender]

This is an odd situation in Yes where I dont care who's doing the drumming.

Yes have had two fantastic drummers in their career, how many groups can claim to have had even one?

[PO]

Alan has better sounding drums. Listen to the snare on Fragile's Roundabout. Yuck! I also don't like the sound of the drums on the CTTE album. Yessongs' version of CTTE is very well done. I'd like to hear a studio version of it.

I just can't see Bill on Tales or Relayer.

[umgekehrt]

Why did Jon and Steve and Rick join up with Bill on ABWH? Because Alan was not available or because they preferred Bill?

[paulovajao]

Alan.with No Offense!!!

[jcostello]

Why did Jon and Steve and Rick join up with Bill on ABWH? Because Alan was not available or because they preferred Bill?

I think Alan chose to stay with Yeswest, and Bill was available at the time.

John C.

[Braniff92]

Alan all the way. I have always preferred Alan's "rock" sound to Bills' "jazz" sound.

[jimmygtr]

Why did Jon and Steve and Rick join up with Bill on ABWH? Because Alan was not available or because they preferred Bill?

Bill & Steve had also been working together a little bit.

[jimmygtr]

I go for Alan every time with this one.

Whereas Bill Bruford is a great jazz oriented drummer, Alan is far more versatile and gives Yes a far heavier sound.

Added to this I think that of the two, Alan White has progressed far more than Bruford, who remians decidedly up his own arse in the "jazz is better than anything" stakes.

Not only did ALan leaqrn the set quickly, he successfully moulded it to his style without losing the flavour. His playing has matured and gotton better over the years - by way of Tales and Relayer along the way, and now he's integral to the band in so many ways.

Plus, I am not convinced by the whole Bill's more technical lobby. If that is the case answer this one for me:

If Bruford is better, why do none of the Yes tributes I know (including ours) have the balls to tackle Relayer?

And before anyone snipes - I maintain that White sits at the heart of gates and is the only one who's got a clue what's going on in the battle section. And though I am a guitarist, I defy anyone to say it's not difficult to find the bactbeat in many parts of the song.

So leave ALan alone. He walks all over Bill in so many ways, and unlike that pretentious jazz snob, is apparently a nice bloke to boot.

:D

They are both great drummers. To compare where Bill was as a drummer on Fragile to where he was after 2 rounds of King Crimson, and 1 with UK and Genesis is a bit unfair.

His drumming was incredible with ABWH and I saw him 3x with Crimson and he was the most precise drummer I have ever witnessed.

[jcostello]

I vote for BOTH Bill Bruford and Alan White, like on the "Union" tour. It's like those potato chip ads, nobody can have just one.

John Crazed Yesfan

[umgekehrt]

Bill & Steve had also been working together a little bit.

I think if we're talking strictly technically, Steve would prefer to have Bill behind the drumsets. I know that Alan is also a good drummer, and Steve has no problem with him whatsoever, but maybe in Steve's ideal world, the Yes drummer should be Bill.

[jimmygtr]

I think if we're talking strictly technically, Steve would prefer to have Bill behind the drumsets. I know that Alan is also a good drummer, and Steve has no problem with him whatsoever, but maybe in Steve's ideal world, the Yes drummer should be Bill.

As a rhythm section Chris/Alan are EXTREMLY Tight and almost breath together when tempos change.

Bill on the other hand is as tight as a metronome (which perhaps Steve prefers).

[Awakened by the Gates]

Alan every time. Bill had his chance(s) and chose to walk away.
I have heard him speak of the torture of recording 'CTTE'.
Oh, to be so tortured!!
To be fair he had jazz leanings and Yes did not fit his plans at the time. I suppose you have to follow where your heart leads.
Bill is great.
BUT Alan is Yes, through and through!

[Andy56]

Alan ....
Anyone that can play on "Simon Smith and His Amazing Dancing Bear" and then do "Sound Chaser" gets my vote.

[Amdusias]

No hesitation, Bruford gets my vote.

The only album where White really shines is Relayer, with the exception of To Be Over, where I think Bruford could have done a much better job.

The sound of Yes as a whole before and during/after Tales is SO different it almost smacks you in the ear drums (horrible pun intended). I love how Bruford let the other instruments do their thing while he did some subtle, interesting background stuff. The overall sound with Bruford onboard was just so much nicer and more interesting.

With White, to achieve the same level of unique-ness in sound, the band had to all the innovating on its own. Awaken, for instance, is all about the other members, and White is just keeping things solid in the background.

White is a solid player, and Bruford is a solid AND interesting player (the exception being Gates where Bruford might have been less inclined to do a drum and keyboard battle).

Regardless of loyolty, and what Bruford wanted to do, he was still the better drummer. Is that the idea of the poll here?

This is all just my opinion of course, and I might have become jaded to the generic rock drummer sound due to listening to generic modern rock for a long time.

[tardistraveler]

I just found this thread - didn't realize it started so long ago!

I voted for Alan. Although Bill is certainly an innovative and technical drummer, I think Alan's sound grounds the band in a way that is needed. It's like everyone is going off on their own tangent, and Alan holds it all together. I've always felt this way, and have preferred Alan's versions of Bill's songs for that reason.

Alan was amazing in that he picked up the Yes repetoire so quickly too!

And I thought the question was, which drummer do YOU prefer? Not, which one do the other Yes members, or anyone else, prefer?

So, I definitely prefer Alan, and always have.

[Mr. Holland]

Well, Amdusias, you're entitled to your opinion ofcourse, but I disagree with you. Yes, Bruford is a subtile innovative and creative drummer and allthough Alan is maybe generally less subtitle (he can be btw, you all ready mention Awaken, but what about the first part of the Remembering for instance, Onward, TOTC, just to mention a few), he certainly isn't less innovative or creative.
He is fantasticly innovative and creative on throughout the whole Relayer album and he does amazing things on for example Ritual and the Ancient on TFTO and what about a song like OTSWOF or the intro's to Changes and Miracle of Life for instance. On the Drama album he plays as tight as drummer can probably get.
No, I think that Alan can be, as he to me has proven, as innovative and creative and is as skilled as Bruford and for subltety, well the subtelty of Alan lies within the fact that he is modest enough to play in a much more simple way, when required, that he modifies his style of playing in witchever way is most fitting to the song he is playing, that he does not aim to stand out, but aims to be part of and that fact alone, in the end does make him stand out as an exceptional player as well as an exceptional person!

[Amdusias]

Yeah, you may very well be right about that. I think I really just love Bruford's style more overall. I usually don't pay attention to drums and bass that much since I'm a guitarist and starting out on keyboard. Plus Jon's voice, of course, which is just too beautiful to not take some notice of.

However, Squire stands out so much for his innovativeness and uniqueness that I end up paying a lot of attention to him too. What I mean is, I don't know what "good bass" is really, but Squire grabs my attention so much anyway.

The same thing with Bruford. His drumming grabs my attention and I marvel at the things he does. Combine him with the rest of the band (although Moraz's and even a lot Kaye's work are just as interesting to me as Wakeman) and that's what I love about Yes. When Bruford was replaced I really felt like I missing an essential element in that beautiful and melodic Yes sound.

I will listen intently to Alan on those songs you mentioned though, because I'd love to have more and more appreciation for this incredible band and its work. I'll get back to you on what I think :)

[Gabriel]

I think they are both fantastic drummers in their own right and style but i'm more familiar with Alan Whites drumming as opposed to Bills [even though I heard some boots with him drumming for Genesis] so I voted for Alan. I think his style clicks with me the best and i'm just more familiar with it :-)

[Starship Trooper]

Alan every time. Bill had his chance(s) and chose to walk away.
I have heard him speak of the torture of recording 'CTTE'.
Oh, to be so tortured!!
To be fair he had jazz leanings and Yes did not fit his plans at the time. I suppose you have to follow where your heart leads.
Bill is great.
BUT Alan is Yes, through and through!

Bill's attitude can be annoying at times!

He just refuses to map out the bass and drums and instead prefers to have almost complete freedom to improvise. I can appreciate his feelings to some extent. He also hates Squire's dramatic slowdowns in some songs like AYAI. Bill feels it's simply dragging the tunes down while Squire likes the theatrics of it.

Alan without a doubt gets the edge for versatility and willingness to play almost anything. Let's face it, Bill doesn't exactly ROCK in the traditional sense of power. However, Alan can.

But they're both spectacular professionals and I didn't even vote in this poll. I like them both.

[brotherofmine]

Are you all listening to Yes http://www.deliciousagony.com/

[Sonoacustico]

Bill Bruford is my Favorite drummer EVER, but i don't think he fits with Yes good enough, or at least the way he did in Crimson or in a jazz environment. let's remember Bruford is a Jazz musician that has been forced by life to be in rock bands. I have a dvd with leftovers from the Yesyears interviews, and Bruford explains that: "I'm at the wrong place at the wrong time, I shouldn't be here, i should be gardening, I'm a complete fake". So that's why I voted for Alan, he just fits perfectly in Yes, with VERY VERY few exceptions.

greetings

Claudio

[jimmygtr]

Bill's attitude can be annoying at times!
...


This is true, but oh my goodness, if I based my liked or dislike of musicians based on their "good attitude" I wouldn't have a whole lot of choices!!!

:shrug:

[yesmandroc]

How is it possible that more people chose Alan White? Alan White is a worthy drummer, certainly. But Bruford was much more interesting. You could generally count on Bill to do something more than boom chick boom-boom chick.

[PO]

...If Bruford is better, why do none of the Yes tributes I know (including ours) have the balls to tackle Relayer?...

Excellent point. Any Yes song played by most any bar band is from the Bruford era.

The only exception is owner, but those bar bands aren't serious Prog bands.

[BrianD]

I voted for Alan - Bill's work was impressive on a few albums but his work on ABWH showed he could be ordinary as well. Alan has been very consistent and tackled Relayer, TFTO and GFTO with aplomb.

Besides - Bill is a bit of a pain in the a$$ as a person while Alan is a true gentleman

[triplej 04]

If Bruford is better, why do none of the Yes tributes I know (including ours) have the balls to tackle Relayer?

And before anyone snipes - I maintain that White sits at the heart of gates and is the only one who's got a clue what's going on in the battle section. And though I am a guitarist, I defy anyone to say it's not difficult to find the bactbeat in many parts of the song.
:D

Not being one to brag, but after over 70 or so listens and over 30 play alongs, Gates isn't that hard of a song to play on drums. I play purely by ear so that might make it much easier, but if I was handed that song on paper I would have no bloody clue what to do!!
You are right about no tribute bands doing Gates... a real shame it is... But I wanna be one of the first to be, once I find a group of formidable Prog heads like myself (and Stevehoweworshipu!)

Oh and I voted for Alan!! While Bruford is very eloquent and 'clean', I just plain love the way Alan uses the kick and the varying sounds of his kit through the albums.

[jimmygtr]

It seems like a lot of Bruford's critique on this thread is based at least partly on his attitude and not his playing which is sort of interesting to me.

[jimmygtr]

I ... Bill's work was impressive on a few albums but his work on ABWH showed he could be ordinary as well. Alan has been very consistent and tackled Relayer, TFTO and GFTO with aplomb.

gentleman

I hear what you're saying, but most of Alan's playing on 90125 isn't any sort of techincal dazzle either is it?

Alan played with the likes of Lennon and Harrison though which will always score high marks with me!

[Dantalion Rides Again]

Bruford is a creative musician. The guy is an artist.

Alan White is a decent performer, but I don't think the guy is all that creative at all.

Just because Bruford didn't play on as many albums as White, or just because he didn't get along well with Squire doesn't make him an inferior drummer. Personally I've never actually been that impressed w/White. I play a bit of drums, and I'd like to think I'm a good listener when it comes to Yes ... but White has never struck me as an interesting musician.

I voted Bruford, and I'm shocked at the poll results.

And I'm surprised to hear poastby complain about the drum sounds on Fragile & CTTE. I'd love to record a kit and have the playback sound like that. In fact, those two albums might represent my favorite recorded drum sounds. Take that. :)

[kmcpro615]

This question is moot. BB is in the drivers seat w his career and doesn't need Yes. AW *is* the drummer in Yes and isn't looking to vacate the chair AFAIK. As a musician I would rather play with AW as he is more willing to give you something compelling to play over. With Bruford, you are really forced to keep time for yourself which is not as much fun for me as a musician. However, that being said, as a listener I am more challenged overall by BB's work and love his approach.

KMCc:)
www.kurtmichaels.com

[Bugeyes]

White, for spirit and intent. Alan will draw you in, while Bill will show you want he painted.

[yesmandroc]

I don't think Bruford's attitude is the issue here. He is simply a more interesting player.

Nor is the issue of Yes tribute bands an relevant here. What difference does it make what a bunch of amateurs play in their garage bands?

The proponents of Alan White all seem to have a real "The worst folk song is greater than the best symphony" kind of outlook on things. I would rather have a drummer who contributes to the whole product rather than one whose job is simply to keep time so the rest of the band can make "real" music. If it is all right for Steve do more besides srtumming I-IV-V chords, why can't a drummer be expcted (or commended) to play outside the realm of simply keeping the beat?

[Timmo]

On the Drama album he plays as tight as drummer can probably get.He was ASTOUNDING on Drama, and so was Chris.

While not my favorite Yes album, it has one of the best rhythm sections in their whole catalog, although I'd probably give the first nod to "Relayer."

[PO]

Well, Steve didn't play a Fender guitar for many years. Squire rarely used anything other than a Ric bass for years. Wakeman never used anything but Moog synths.

I never liked Bruford's choice of drums towards his end with Yes. The tones just don't match to me. I'd like to have heard the album CTTE recorded with White. When Yes started getting more into synths/mellotrons, it seemed BB fit in less. He thought so, too.

I've never felt that White is a simplistic drummer. I think he plays what the music needs. If the music needs less, as some have interpreted it, then Bruford's style is not what is called for.

I guess that's why there is more than one drummer and one drum company in the world.

[jcostello]

If scientists could get Bill and Alan to both contribute DNA, maybe they could combine it, then create a clone, and the clone might be better than either of them, and could play drums for Yes!

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[Vic W.]

Bruford's playing is cerebral, and at times brilliant. But while he's creative and clever, I think he's far LESS versatile than Alan. When he seems to be trying to "get down" he usually annoys me rather than uplifts me. Fragile was brilliant, but ABWH? Some good work but a lot of bad too, I think. He sounded like a machine gun half the time on that album.

As far as technical brilliance and creativity, I think Alan is for some reason WAY underrated. The man can do the subtle.

[Steve St Thomas]

I had to vote for Bill. Nothing against Alan, I know his catalogue with Yes is wider and more varied, and I do believe more things were demanded from him than Bruford.

But Bill Bruford is just a syncopated nightmare. I absolutely love to hear this guy play drums. He is constantly changing, shifting, hanging back, pushing forward. There's ALWAYS something interesting going on, even if its bare basics, straight 4/4 he's playing. With King Crimson, UK, Earthworks, he just always surprises me. And I like his attitude.

[allpurechance]

Yes!lol

Frank

[Charles Matejic]

the question itself is ridiculous because everyone knows that Brufford/white is the best drummer and that White/Brufford can not be compared to any othe rdrummer not even Brufford/white unless of course you make the exception of White/Brufford the only drummer I've ever heard that is even in their league is Carl Palmer of Emerson Lake and Palmer but even he doesn't qualify with Brufford White( Close to the Edge or Relayer?,Fragile or Tales , apples or oranges)

[Yes2Yes]

I think Bill is a great drummer. He was with the band when I got turned on to Yes. I pick Alan out of loyalty. He has been with Yes for the long haul and is an awesome drummer with a unique style all his own.

[yesmandroc]

the question itself is ridiculous because everyone knows that Brufford/white is the best drummer and that White/Brufford can not be compared to any othe rdrummer not even Brufford/white unless of course you make the exception of White/Brufford the only drummer I've ever heard that is even in their league is Carl Palmer of Emerson Lake and Palmer but even he doesn't qualify with Brufford White( Close to the Edge or Relayer?,Fragile or Tales , apples or oranges)

You think that Carl Palmer is in the same league with Bill Bruford? I don't understand the carl palmer fixation. He is about as interesting as a stationary rock.

[SonicDeath10]

Bill's better, arguably, but Alan's been the heart beat of Yes far longer than Bill was. So, technically he's a better drummer, but Alan is just fine, and probably a "better" drummer for Yes.

[SonicDeath10]

You think that Carl Palmer is in the same league with Bill Bruford? I don't understand the carl palmer fixation. He is about as interesting as a stationary rock.
Carl is fast and very complex. But yeah I agree; his style is always the same, he's always constantlyp laying every single drum he can. Technically interesting, creative no. Keith Moon was similar, but he was also much much more interesting because keith would, you know, sometimes sit back and just play a wood block for a 10 minute improvisation (like in the live versions of magic bus) or play simple, beat centric drums like on baba o'reily. Then he'd explode, and things were magic. He's the drummer to beat for me; not the best technically, and you couldn't keep time to him very well, but man... he did things I don't think are possible with a drum.
For example, I watched The Kids Are All Right with my friend Chris recently. Chris kept exclaiming out loud about keith moon's amazing drums. Not that that's any real proof, but it wasn't just once, ti was everytime he played.

[ThePatman]

My brother the minister/drummer would argue for Bruford, I voted for White because he is the YES drummer. :headset:

[SonicDeath10]

Plus he's also just a great drummer. And he played for tons of famous people. And he seems like a really nice, a-okay guy!

[inside_out]

Carl is fast and very complex. But yeah I agree; his style is always the same, he's always constantlyp laying every single drum he can. Technically interesting, creative no. Keith Moon was similar, but he was also much much more interesting because keith would, you know, sometimes sit back and just play a wood block for a 10 minute improvisation (like in the live versions of magic bus) or play simple, beat centric drums like on baba o'reily. Then he'd explode, and things were magic. He's the drummer to beat for me; not the best technically, and you couldn't keep time to him very well, but man... he did things I don't think are possible with a drum.
For example, I watched The Kids Are All Right with my friend Chris recently. Chris kept exclaiming out loud about keith moon's amazing drums. Not that that's any real proof, but it wasn't just once, ti was everytime he played.

Keith Moon hit notes on the drums like no one else could. Settle into Won't get fooled again and try it.

[Timmo]

I voted for Alan.

My head prefers Bill, but my heart is more touched by Alan. He moves me more.

[sherriff_johnbrown]

A
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White always had more rhythmic sensibility.

[vivafra]

I voted Alan because, even if Bill is a greater musician, Alan is more Yes-ish...and when you play in a band you must be really "IN" the band's thoughts and sounds....

[Warhorse]

White is perhaps not as flamboyant a drummer as Bruford, but he contributes more to Yes music than Bruford did by virtue of his piano skills - not that he has played much on Yes albums, but he contributed to the song writting - see KTA for example, White and not Wakeman's name appears in many sections featuring piano.

[jcostello]

the question itself is ridiculous because everyone knows that Brufford/white is the best drummer and that White/Brufford can not be compared to any othe rdrummer not even Brufford/white unless of course you make the exception of White/Brufford the only drummer I've ever heard that is even in their league is Carl Palmer of Emerson Lake and Palmer but even he doesn't qualify with Brufford White( Close to the Edge or Relayer?,Fragile or Tales , apples or oranges)

You make it sound like they're one in the same person, or some sort of combined entity. Does this mean that your answer to the question is "both"? Is this some sort of endorsement for the "Union" tour, where Yes had the best of both worlds because they had both?

John Super Mega Confused and Crazed Yesfan

[n2cbo]

My answer to the question is YES. (no pun intended) I think that depending on the music, they both are equally as "good", just different.

[Whitefish]

Both were/are perfect for Yes at the exact times they were (in Alan's case "are") with the band. It was Bill's nature to move on. Alan has stayed throughout and is totally dedicated to the band. Bill has criticized Yes quite a bit, but mostly jokingly.

Remember: "All is meant to be". Both were in the band at the exact time they were (in Alan's case "are") meant to be.

I voted for Alan. He is to me the best overall drummer for the band.

[rememberer]

Tough choice, just like Rick vs. Patrick on keys. Rick and Alan are awesome but it's hard to dispense with Bill and Patrick for their value to Yes, AND in what I think are their strong contributions to my favorite Yes solo stuff (FOOW and The Steve Howe Album).

But by now, Alan, who to his own credit managed to be there on all 3 of what are probably my most favorite Yes epics (the eccentric selections The Remembering, Gates, and That,That Is) has been as steadfast as Chris considering that he joined later- he too has never left since he joined, correct?- and notorious for his pleasant, genial nature to boot. Sounds like a winner to me (even if I've mangled the biographical data).

[JL]

Alan has been the drummer for two Beatles. You don't get those gigs unless you rule.

[yes_angel]

Both were/are perfect for Yes at the exact times they were (in Alan's case "are")with the band. It was Bill's nature to move on. Alan has stayed throughout and is totally dedicated to the band. Bill has criticized Yes quite a bit, but mostly jokingly.

Remember: "All is meant to be". Both were in the band at the exact time they were (in Alan's case "are") meant to be.

I voted for Alan. He is to me the best overall drummer for the band.I agree with that and besides i'm use to him and his devotion to YES

[ham]

Billy B for me!!! :headset:

[Close to Loch Ness]

They are both GREAT drummers for Yes. With Bill the band could swing, with Alan they rock, and he came at just the right time for the arena tours where Bill's more complex style wasn't so suited.
Impossible to compare, but I voted for Bill, not just for the drumming but also for the influence on Chris. IMO the best bass playing is on these first five albums.
Brian
:drummer:

[Dr Yes]

I've always voted for Alan - I did here. But watching a young Bill and Chris live playing Perpetual Change last night (Sounding Out), I am forced to rethink.

Bill just had SOMETHING special. I find him a tosser to listen to and have always disliked his pseudo-intellectualism, but he just made the music sound so exciting.

Alan IS brilliant on Relayer and I love a lot of his work on the Going for the One album. But he's just not so interesting to listen to. Maybe I've been kidding myself because I find Bruford's 'Legend in his own Mind' attitde a real turn off.

[overlook]

Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill! Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill! Bill!Bill!Bill!Bill!

Bill!

[overlook]

I'd loved to hear what Stewart Copeland would have done for YES

[raz]

I like Bill a lot... But i has to be Alan for me...

[JB86]

Alan White.

Purely for Long Distance Runaround.

[new_sum_do_solve_ay]

Bill, definitely Bill Bruford.
I saw him live with ABWH. I like Alan and Cinema was so amazing and fast its hard to describe, but I think Bill made the band what it stands for and he has some amazing sense of rhythm that goes beyond basic 'speed' drumming.

[SonicDeath10]

Well this is a hard question. Bill is a better drummer no doubt about it. On a technical level. But, Alan is more of a team player. To Bill, any band he plays in is simply a way for him to "grow as a musician and expand his drumming capabilities." He sees himself as above the band and the music, to an extent. Which Alan never does. He plays what needs to be plays, and never legs his ego get in the way. So he's probably a better drummer for Yes, the ultimate EGO band.

[Close to Loch Ness]

Alan White.

Purely for Long Distance Runaround.

Bill played on this.

:drummer:

[SonicDeath10]

Tim Alexander from Primus!

[justyes]

I don't care who plays in Yes for both are great. I just think that Bill did a great job in King Crimson so I voted for him.

[jcostello]

I wonder if anyone has ever asked Bill and/or Alan who the better drummer is, and what his or their responses were.

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[AllGoodPeephole]

I go with Bill. I think he's more diversified. An absolute chameleon.

[jazzstick]

Bruford is my favorite rock drummer followed by stuart copland.

Jazzstick

[wolfhound]

I have to go with Bill Bruford. Steve St. Thomas mentioned Bruford's syncopation, and I think that's critical. It's just a guess, but in listening to Steve Howe live, I have to think Howe himself feels that he excels more with a drummer like Bruford. For example, when Steve is playing a true solo with Alan (without Chris & Rick), his leads seem lost. Alan is often just hitting the cymbals with that laissez faire beat. The moment (literally) Chris adds a more interesting rhythm to the mix, Steve is immediately back into a groove.
I have to believe Bill's studio work would have the same effect on Howe. Plus, There's just an excitement and the rewarded anticipation with Bruford's playing.

[Awaken1976]

I voted Bill though Alan is very good too. Bill is just a better technical player by far and can pull so many sounds out of his set that Alan would be hard pressed to do imo. Sorry Alan! I still love you though! :)

[luckeydoug1]

Alan is the drummer I would ask to be in my band!

[new_sum_do_solve_ay]

I personally like Bill's style better. Alan is a great musician, but my one bone to pick is that Alan was 'grafted' into the band by a management decision. To hear Jon tell the story, the first time they met Alan was with a manager present in an office high rise. Well I just feel that's not quite 'Yesish' enough for me. Bill came into the band in a more organic way at the very start when they were just there to make music. Alan was introduced after they were a wolrd wide smashing success. Big difference musically. Good business, but something's missing.

[SonicDeath10]

I don't know... it seems to me that most addition sto the band were through management.

[SadPreacher]

i would take either or...both have their strong points...

[Bo Locks]

I wish that Bill had been around long enough to have played on all the albums up to like Close To The Edge. After that, I think it would have best if Alan had just like taken over and drummed on everything else. Maybe Alan would've like still been in the band if that had happened.

Duuuh...

[Store Hadji]

Alan - for NOT saying "I have nothing to contribute to this band beyond Son of Relayer," turning up his nose, and trotting off.

[Scooty]

Alan - for NOT saying "I have nothing to contribute to band beyond Son of Relayer," turning up his nose, and trotting off.

Yup.

Alan White is a gentleman of Rock.

Bill, I love the man...but the attitude has got to go. Besides Ive always felt he was better for KC than Yes anyway..

[marklovesyes]

Bill is better, perhaps, for some of the Fragile stuff, but Alan has really got into a groove with all of the other pre-Alan White YES albums. Alan is a better "jammer" than Bill. But I do like Steve Howe's statement on Bill Bruford - "Bill made us sound bigger by playing less."

So, who knows - but I really like Alan in YES.

[Scooty]

Bill is better, perhaps, for some of the Fragile stuff, but Alan has really got into a groove with all of the other pre-Alan White YES albums. Alan is a better "jammer" than Bill. But I do like Steve Howe's statement on Bill Bruford - "Bill made us sound bigger by playing less."

So, who knows - but I really like Alan in YES.

Ok.
That is what it comes down to for me too Mark.

I really really like Alan in Yes. it works, it fits..

[Store Hadji]

Scooty! You always post my quotes before I fix the typos!

:poop:

[Scooty]

Scooty! You always post my quotes before I fix the typos!

:poop:


It's just cause I know exactly what you are saying Bro...and have to comment!! ;)

Sorry...LOL!

[JL]

Ive always felt he was better for KC than Yes anyway..

Indeed!! Not only because Bill was so right for KC, but because Alan was/is so right for Yes.

[bobby45]

As a lapsed drummer myself, I find it hard to pick a favorite. They have distinctive styles, and both Bill and Alan are world class talents. I've been listening to "The Word is Live" recently, and I keep coming back to HOTS. Alan plays it really well, without over-doing it, as many less talented drummers would be inclined to do.
In and ideal world, Yes would tour with both drummers, like the Dead or Allman Bros. That would be wild!

[jcostello]

Bill is better, perhaps, for some of the Fragile stuff, but Alan has really got into a groove with all of the other pre-Alan White YES albums. Alan is a better "jammer" than Bill. But I do like Steve Howe's statement on Bill Bruford - "Bill made us sound bigger by playing less."

So, who knows - but I really like Alan in YES.

But did Tony Kaye make Yes bigger by playing less (in the '80s and '90s)?

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[Yes_Fan_4_Life26]

I voted for Bill.

But now I want to change it to Alan.

Why?

Because Alan rocks out all the time. I love it.

TOTAL ROCK!

[yarstruly]

Well since the question was who is better at Yes....I choose Alan....Bill is great, but Alan is THE MAN for Yes....

[Hacman]

Alan. Yes has enough jazz influence with Steve's playing and enough "otherworldlyness' with Jon's melodies and lyrics. Alan (and Chris , of course) keep the whole thing grounded.

[shortexchanges]

the great debate like coke vs pepsi!

Bill is a more nuanced drummer listen to the fish or southside of the sky, especially on the remastered versions. There is a sublime quality no other drummer can match nor duplicate.

BUT! listen to relayer and drama and the drumming on soundchaser, and into the lens just kicks ass!! like bruford never would. Listen to the drums on close to the edge from the keys live and there is YES there is nuance like I never appreciated before from Alan!! in the last 3 minutes of the classic. Alan has evolved over the years and is the YES drummer.

Bill is the former YES drummer.

Just like pepsi or coke.

I vote Alan!

I am priveledge to have been able to appreciate both!

Nuff said.

[JB86]

Hey Houston! Good to be with you! TO-NIGHT! On drums, Mr. Alan White!

The live version of Hold On from TX 1988, where he does the drum solo, that's simply some of the best drumming I've ever heard.

[Cygnus]

Allthough I havent really notced the difference between the two (i know i know...)

I prefer Alan, not just because he has been with the band for so long but becuase his drumming sytle is so much better then Bill's IMHO.

[SonicDeath10]

Bruford was probably a bit too subtle and jazzy at that point for Yes.

[diatonis]

I voted for Alan White as I'm more used to him playing in Yes but both are great.

It would be interesting to see what Robert Fripp, Chris Squire, and Alan White would come up with :)

[Deliriumyes]

I have been avoiding this poll for YEARS! I really have a hard time with this choice, but I guess it comes down to this:

I had to vote for Bill.
But Bill Bruford is just a syncopated nightmare. I absolutely love to hear this guy play drums. He is constantly changing, shifting, hanging back, pushing forward. There's ALWAYS something interesting going on, even if its bare basics, straight 4/4 he's playing. With King Crimson, UK, Earthworks, he just always surprises me. And I like his attitude.



I just Love Bill's style! I do so love Alan, though. He IS the YES drummer for me. I just prefer Bill's playing, whether it's with Yes or KC...he is da man!

I still love you, ALAN! http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y79/KarenMix/36ff4d0c.jpg

[jcostello]

I voted for Bill.

But now I want to change it to Alan.

Why?

Because Alan rocks out all the time. I love it.

TOTAL ROCK!

I still say, through genetics, you combine the DNA of both and create the ultimate drummer. However, if you end up creating someone who tries to take over the human race/world (like Hitler, Napoleon, etc.), then forget I said anything ...

John Super Mega Insane Yesfan

[SonicDeath10]

Chester Thompson; that guy is something else.

"Chester's gooorillla...."

[YESOLA]

Bruford

When I first got into Yes it was the squire Bruford team that I though were imaculate. The yes ALbum , Fragile, and Close to the Edge were unreal, and I think when White came in it chaged Squires playing. For better or worse you can argue but I loved the work Bruford and Squire did.

Having said that I still feel that White is the drummer now and for all time, his best work being Relayer. - Loved seeing him with the Syn.

[glyn]

I havent really notced the difference between the two:lmao:you work in A&R, am I right? ;)

[JaneEyre]

Alan rules!

[Jackaranda]

Alan rules!

Yep. He's the best ever.

:drummer:

[Garyw]

I really found this question difficult to answer. Bill is the more interesting drummer for me to just sit back and focus on and listen to all the little intricate aspects of the drumming. He was always pushing the band or maybe it would be better to say demanding the band to experiment with something other than the standard 4/4 timing. But he could also really shake the rafters when he wanted. To see him live on the ABWH tour was really an experience. The night I saw him on the Union tour he seemed to be just standing around looking rather bored and it also struck me he was underutilized. But maybe his heart was in it at that point. And when he initially left Yes his heart was clearly not into the band. So be it.

Alan is more passionate and a joy to listen to and watch and when the time came for another drummer he was a near perfect fit. He had the talent and the ability to pick up where Bill left off and frankly he was a better fit personality wise. The band needed someone who saw himself as part of the whole picture and that was Alan. He was there when the band needed him and he has always been there and there is no substitute for the continuity he has provided.

[jcostello]

Yep. He's the best ever.

:drummer:

Even though I like Alan and the man is a great drummer, if we're throwing the "best ever" label around, I think my vote would go to Elvin Jones, Roy Haynes or Max Roach in a three-way tie.

John Super Mega Insane Yesfan

[rahtreelimbs]

Alan as a better fit because he drives the band better..........that is what I have come to understand.

Listen to UK's "In The dead Of Night" and you will soon discover that Bill can do it just as well. Why he didn't put forth that in Yes is anyones guess!!!

Being a drummer myself..........I find Bill more interesting!

[SonicDeath10]

Alan as a better fit because he drives the band better..........that is what I have come to understand.

Listen to UK's "In The dead Of Night" and you will soon discover that Bill can do it just as well. Why he didn't put forth that in Yes is anyones guess!!!

Being a drummer myself..........I find Bill more interesting! Bill was too jazzy to be a real "rock" drummer at that point in his life.

[Canonsong]

bruford by a mile and Squire knows it ....see FOOW :O)

[Whitefish]

bruford by a mile and Squire knows it ....see FOOW :O)

They are both equally great. Just different styles.

[new_sum_do_solve_ay]

5% for Nothing

will be

the title of

the next thread

under B i l l B r u f o r d
for those interested.... because

the MODS
DELETED THE LAST ONE!!!

It's a kihnspiracy to blacken his name or something.

BILL RULES!!!


'nuff said

[Sheerah]

Are you talking about this thread, New Sum, cuz it ain't deleted. You just have to look for threads older than 30 days.

http://www.yesfans.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23033

[hailhail]

I voted for Alan because I like to listen to him more than I like to
listen to Bill.
They are both equally great. Just different styles.

I agree with this statament 100%

[Mind Driver]

Alan....hands down.

[Vic W.]

BILL RULES!!!By the vote count I'd say he has a mandate, in fact...

[glyn]

Bill by a mile - and them some

[umgekehrt]

Unfortunately, the possibility of Bill Bruford joining Yes again is about as much as Jim Morrison joining The Doors again.

[Vic W.]

Damn. And I forgot to send flowers...

[jcostello]

Bill by a mile - and them some

Unless you're talking about the faster runner. That might be Alan.

John Super Mega Insane Yesfan

[podo]

Bill Bruford hasnt played in Yes for 30 odd years, get over it. Not to say he isnt a good drummer, but fair dinkum.

[Buglunch]

There's nothing to get over: Alan's fabulous and Bill's more interesting musically.

Bill.

[fovman]

Bill Bruford and Neil Peart are making a career of innovating drumming which is their main focal point. They are the 2 most influential drummers. What chops and groove they both have!

But I like Yes as a Rock group not a Jazz band. Bruford aspires to be a jazz drummer. Alan is the loyal man for Yes. He is innovative in a hard playing way.....a Rock Drummer. I like rock and classical over jazz.

I understand why a drummer like Bruford is drawn to jazz. It is a more experimental style.


P.S. Alan White is also a music composer as well and contributes to the formation of. the yessongs.......He works as a member within a band....not featuring himself.

Bruford is only into drums and rythmn ideas.
Peart is a good lyricist
Both are drum Gods

[jcostello]

Bill Bruford hasnt played in Yes for 30 odd years, get over it. Not to say he isnt a good drummer, but fair dinkum.

It's only been 15. Remember the "Union" album/tour?

John Super Mega Insane Yesfan

[jcostello]

Unfortunately, the possibility of Bill Bruford joining Yes again is about as much as Jim Morrison joining The Doors again.

The Doors should get the lead singer from Peace Frog (Doors tribute band) to join them. Nobody would remember that Jim is dead, the guy is that good.

John Super Mega Insane Yesfan

[Trooper Jim]

Alan White, simply because he was there on the first Yes album I ever listened to, Tales.

[YESOLA]

Bill was too jazzy to be a real "rock" drummer at that point in his life.



And his jazzy drumming helped cause some serious beauty in the Yes music he recorded.

[packattack4]

I just watched a Union dvd with both of em jamming bigtime. They are both great drummers and they play very well together, so I say lets get em both again for another treat. Im sure they would sound real good together on an album too so lets just hope.

[fovman]

Bruford plays on my 3 favorite Yes albums and is a master drumming innovator like Peart.
but...Bill was gone from Yes a long time ago. White is the loyal Yes musician.

[brotherofmine]

Bill Bruford hasnt played in Yes for 30 odd years, get over it. Not to say he isnt a good drummer, but fair dinkum.
ABWH? Union?

[fovman]

ABWH? Union?

temporary calabration projects...

[jcostello]

the great debate like coke vs pepsi!

Bill is a more nuanced drummer listen to the fish or southside of the sky, especially on the remastered versions. There is a sublime quality no other drummer can match nor duplicate.

BUT! listen to relayer and drama and the drumming on soundchaser, and into the lens just kicks ass!! like bruford never would. Listen to the drums on close to the edge from the keys live and there is YES there is nuance like I never appreciated before from Alan!! in the last 3 minutes of the classic. Alan has evolved over the years and is the YES drummer.

Bill is the former YES drummer.

Just like pepsi or coke.

I vote Alan!

I am priveledge to have been able to appreciate both!

Nuff said.

Bill and Alan are NOT like Pepsi or Coke. They're not drinkable, although both are made up primarily of water, as are all human beings.

John Super Mega Insane Yesfan

[nitrus]

I think it wasn't until Alan joined the band that Yes became really Yes. Bill's a terrific drummer but he's good at jazz, not rock or progrock. That's why I prefer later live renditions of songs from albums like CTTE - Alan's drumming fits the music much better, IMHO.

[Yes.2]

You know....I'd never thought I'd hear myself say this but I'm starting to sway toward White.

[jcostello]

You know....I'd never thought I'd hear myself say this but I'm starting to sway toward White.

Studies have shown that Alan White will cause swaying in laboratory animals and Yesfans ... but so will Bill Bruford!

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[rmig68]

Depends on which Bill and which Alan.

The Heart of the Sunrise ,Perpetual Change (the fast paced breakout part after Steve's jazzy melodic playing is incredible stuff), and South Side of the Sky Bill? ...or the electric drums Bill?

I'd choose the former hands down.

The Sound Chaser, On the Silent Wings of Freedom Alan... or The Calling, Hold On Alan?

I'd choose the former Bill and Alan in both cases.

So now the envelope please....

Between the former Bill and former Alan, the winner is:

Bill Bruford circa 1968- 1975! (King Crimson included with a special nod to Starless and Bible Black)

[somissound]

Alan's attitude, loyalty, creativity, multi talents, and drumming make him an instant winner...

Bill is a great drummer, but ....I'll stop here.

[rmig68]

[quote=nitrus;852016]I think it wasn't until Alan joined the band that Yes became really Yes. Bill's a terrific drummer but he's good at jazz, not rock or progrock. quote]

Huh? Bill's playing defined prog rock. Do you consider King Crimson or UK jazz?

[jcostello]

Depends on which Bill and which Alan.

The Heart of the Sunrise ,Perpetual Change (the fast paced breakout part after Steve's jazzy melodic playing is incredible stuff), and South Side of the Sky Bill? ...or the electric drums Bill?

I'd choose the former hands down.

The Sound Chaser, On the Silent Wings of Freedom Alan... or The Calling, Hold On Alan?

I'd choose the former Bill and Alan in both cases.

So now the envelope please....

Between the former Bill and former Alan, the winner is:

Bill Bruford circa 1968- 1975! (King Crimson included with a special nod to Starless and Bible Black)

Cleverly played, but what about if we're talking about both guys' complete careers? Does Bill still get the nod?

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[jcostello]

Alan's attitude, loyalty, creativity, multi talents, and drumming make him an instant winner...

Bill is a great drummer, but ....I'll stop here.

I think Bill is an "instant winner," too, although it's nothing that either of them can redeem at a lottery office.

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[jcostello]

I think it wasn't until Alan joined the band that Yes became really Yes. Bill's a terrific drummer but he's good at jazz, not rock or progrock. That's why I prefer later live renditions of songs from albums like CTTE - Alan's drumming fits the music much better, IMHO.

I've pretty much always felt that they were Yes, even though the first two albums aren't quite as good as the next three. I've also always thought of "ABWH" as a real Yes album, even though they didn't own the name, and many people have disagreed with me in numerous past threads.

John Super Mega Crazed Yesfan

[M-Class Planet]

I mention this on another post , but for me there is a lumbering quality a stadium rock 4/4 bland-arama plodding feel to Whites playing, especially these days. Bill is much more effective and imaginative and more in tune with Yes’s MO.
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I’m pretty sure Mr Howe feels the same way, as he alludes to in interviews I’ve read. And I’m sure he’s not the only one!
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Having said that - I love Whites playing on the two ‘Six Wives..’ tracks he plays on.
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But I still prefer Bill – I’d love to see him in a band with Sting and Alex Lifeson!

[yes_angel]

Both! Bill with the jazz and Alan with the pazzaaa!

[Yes.2]

Nice one Angel!!!

[Bob Barker.]

i'm sorry but all around bill is a better drummer

[CybrKhatru]

I love 'em both, but Bill is my fave of the two!

[fovman]

Bill is the innovator.........but Alan Rocks!

...."Jazz is weird!" - Alex Lifeson

[relayeire]

out of respect to both gentlemen, I honestly can't answer this... to choose would be to deny the immense talent of the other... no can do...

[Vic W.]

i'm sorry but all around bill is a better drummer
Not quite. Bill is quite inferior to Alan when it comes to physical ability. He never could move from drum to drum with speed. When he tries to drum fast he always sounds like a machine gun... rat-a-tat-tat all on one drumhead...

Imagination and minimalism are his fortes. It's probably no coincidence that Yes's most creative period in the studio was when he was the drummer.

[Yes.2]

out of respect to both gentlemen, I honestly can't answer this... to choose would be to deny the immense talent of the other... no can do...

You just got "rep.":beerchugr:

[YESOLA]

Not quite. Bill is quite inferior to Alan when it comes to physical ability. He never could move from drum to drum with speed.

I think I read somewhere that Bruford commended White as being better for Yes, as they were moving into rock superstardom, playing arenas and all that.

When he tries to drum fast he always sounds like a machine gun... rat-a-tat-tat all on one drumhead...

This is a great point, I don't think I have ever read that criticism of Bruford before.....although, funny you should mention that, because I always loved that machine gun sound right at the beginning of YIND. I was listening to it, and thinking that this morning.



Imagination and minimalism are his fortes. It's probably no coincidence that Yes's most creative period in the studio was when he was the drummer.

Indeed, this is why I have always considered him the better drummer. But you know, I love both.

[Wakey's #1 Fan]

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[MirokuLuvstheGirls]

Bill. He belongs in a progressive rock band, Alan doesn't. Enough said...



Meh, don't ask. I mean, I like Alan an' all...but Bill fits prog rock Yes more than Alan does. Alan's good on Yes' pop albums though.

[south_side]

Bruford, no question.

[Bob Barker.]

bill bruford is way better!

[PhaseDance]

I think it wasn't until Alan joined the band that Yes became really Yes.
So what you're saying is that 'The Yes Album', 'Fragile' or 'Close To The Edge' weren't groundbreaking and didn't set the standard for Yes? That's quite a theory.






It really makes you think...

[CybrKhatru]

Bill or Alan?

Yes.

I've never voted on this poll because they're both wonderful.

[Imperatrix]

This thread's almost as fun as the perennial Rabin/Howe debate.

Almost.

:popcorn:

[Senor Mono]

Alan!
because:
Has a way better vibe
ROCKS harder than jazzy Bill
A very nice guy
Fits Yes perfect
Participated in Relayer and Drama!
Plays CTTE, AYAI, Siberian Khatru with much more energy live!!!
Alan and Fish are a rhythmic machine.

[Wakey's #1 Fan]

Alan!
because:
Has a way better vibe
ROCKS harder than jazzy Bill
A very nice guy
Fits Yes perfect
Participated in Relayer!
Plays CTTE, AYAI, Siberian Khatru with much more energy live!!!
Alan and Fish are a rhythmic machine.
-and is more handsome... :winknudge

[MrZuLu]

this is like comparing a Chevy 327cui to a 306cui. It is virtually the same engine just one has a deeper bore. They both bolt down to the same mounts but they sound different.

They are both strong, ad nauseum...

[Simon Woodhouse]

Can't decide.
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If Bill had stayed, the Yes sound wouldn't have progressed beyond what was on Close to the Edge.
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I often wonder what 90125 might have sounded like if Bill had been on it.

[islandsofarabia]

Alan White

[MirokuLuvstheGirls]

Meh, I've seemed to have changed my mind after REALLY listening to Alan. I've found that there are some things that Alan can pull off that I can't imagine Bill doing. Sadly, I cannot change my vote. :|



Just thought I'd share that with every one...

[Senor Mono]

Can't decide.
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If Bill had stayed, the Yes sound wouldn't have progressed beyond what was on Close to the Edge.
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I often wonder what 90125 might have sounded like if Bill had been on it.


too busy :lmao:

And I think Relayer, clearly, was a huge progression for Yes.

But! FOOW is clever and understated at times. A new Yes with Bruford and Squire:thinking:

very interesting

[Imperatrix]

-and is more handsome... :winknudge

It's apparent to me that you've never seen Broof from behind. :winknudge

[JL]

Alan's rightful place is in Yes. Bruford's was in King Crimson until it wasn't. Bruford's rightful place now is as a jazz bandleader. In all cases, this is where these guys belong because they think so.

If Bill had stayed in Yes, a whole lot of my favorite music would have never happened.

[MrZuLu]

Alan's rightful place is in Yes. Bruford's was in King Crimson until it wasn't. Bruford's rightful place now is as a jazz bandleader. In all cases, this is where these guys belong because they think so.

If Bill had stayed in Yes, a whole lot of my favorite music would have never happened.well said, my friend!

[Canonsong]

but who is to know??? It may have been even better???

Bruford is a master musician, master composer and one hell of a classy guy. He just outgrew YES , he moved on in his quest for a higher quality of musicality and musicianship.... and I think he found it and is still seeking to raise the bar.

[podo]

sheesh... get over it

[Faceintheplace]

I'm going to sit this vote out too as I think they're both excellent at what they do.

I will though say I think Alan has played very well on a lot of the pogressive material, his drumwork on Tales..., Relayer and Drama continues to amaze me on a regular basis. Also I love his playing on the late 70's live stuff I've heard, I especially like how he handled HOTS in that period.

Bill continualy impresses me as well, subtle details in his playing on the early Yes stuff always jump out at me.

[Senor Mono]

Alan's work on Relayer, Drama, 90125, (even)BG, is nothing short of perfectly amazing.

As is Bill's on TYA,Fragile, and CTTE.

Yes has done pretty well with both, all things considered. And they both gel with Squire like a glove.

I'll give this one a 51% Alan (Epic performances on Relayer, Drama, loyalty, pocketness, Rockness, lockness)

49% Bruford (epic performances on TYA, Fragile, CTTE, everything else:hmmm:

[Frosted Sun]

Bill for his excellent jazzy beat, innovative, but hey Alan for his style, both are great. I like the jazz/rock fusion kind of music thing. Keep them both on the stage. Why not 2 drummers and 2 keyboards and 2 of everything, lol.

So it’s Bill Buford.

[mcnpauls]

The only people who rate Alan ahead of Bill are Yes fanatics: the rest of the prog, fusion, jazz and rock communities acknowledge Bruford is the better drummer and musician.

Alan is also excellent, and a talented and affable man, but Bruford is one of the most accomplished musicians ever to have emerged from rock music.

[chris21125150]

Well, here's my take on it. I love Bill Bruford's style, I prefer him as a drummer, and would have loved to hear how he interpreted the rhythm sections on all of the 70's YES albums. However, anytime I've seen him interviewed he comes across to me as rather conceited. I may be wrong, I'm only going by what I've seen. But Alan seems much more down to earth. Having met him he was very personable. I remember complementing him on his drum solo during 'Ritual' and he said, 'yah, if I could just get through it without making so many mistakes'. Haha. How many famous rock stars would be as humble as that? I couldn't imagine hearing Bill say that. :) Anyway, my vote is for Bill's style (no one could replace his drumming in Heart of the Sunrise), and my vote is for Alan as far as personability (if that's a word). Alan's also a good solid drummer, and I think he holds back on what he can really do (for whatever reason). What I've said here I'm sure can be argued and I'm sure I may have ruffled a few feathers, I'm just stating my humble oppinion as a drummer. :)

[Senor Mono]

I prefer Alan's performance on KTA of AYAI, CTTE, America, and Siberian Khatru!

Also Alan is a humble, class act, and unpretentious -unlike.

I would much rather hear Alan perform a Yes song than Bill change it up every night just to keep himself entertained. He is a great Jazz drummer, but Alan seems to be much more of a Yes- team player.

Fripp even had to try and figure out ways to contain Bill. Like taking away his hi-hat.

[crotale2112]

Every time I hear bill I feel the need for tea and crumpets warmed in a microwave.

Every time I hear allen I feel the essence of vindaloo and onion chutney; pot roast and garlic mashed potatoes with a splash of paprika warmed in the oven; scallops wrapped in bacon; fetuccini alfredo; lobster bisque.

[crotale2112]

Every time I hear bill I feel the need for tea and crumpets warmed in a microwave.

Every time I hear allen I feel the essence of vindaloo and onion chutney; pot roast and garlic mashed potatoes with a splash of paprika warmed in the oven; scallops wrapped in bacon; fetuccini alfredo; lobster bisque.

[Senor Mono]

Every time I hear bill I feel the need for tea and crumpets warmed in a microwave.

Every time I hear allen I feel the essence of vindaloo and onion chutney; pot roast and garlic mashed potatoes with a splash of paprika warmed in the oven; scallops wrapped in bacon; fetuccini alfredo; lobster bisque.

:appl[1]: Spot on.

[Yesed]

Bruford just dissed Yes in a New York newspaper today saying for one thing, that he will never play with Yes again and that they (Yes) pretty much milk the Yes sound ad nauseum for what its worth with every tour they do.
I prefer Brufords sound over Whites (thats another discussion), but like Whites loyalty to Yes. I think it was newsday
I think of Fragile when I think of Bill. I think of Tales when I think of White.
It was the NY Post

[gathernear]

I really liked the stuff Bill did when he was with the band. But, for who is best for Yes, it's Alan. Side one of Yessongs is my proof, side 5 and 6 too.

[Yesed]

Keys to Ascension disc 1, Keys to Ascension 2 disc 1
The best live 'Your Move' and 'All good people'. Second only to possibly Yessongs's version.

[Olorin]

I think Bill is probably the more innovative player, but I voted for Alan because of Bill's attitude about Yes. I don't recall which, but in another thread on the forums recently, I read about some comment Bill had made about Yes continuing to tour and playing the same songs ad nauseum "and it would definitely be ad nauseum," or words to that effect.

[PJH]

I can't stand Bill's arrogance (never stops dissing the band) and the fact that he should realise that electronic drum pads went out in the '80s.

[YESOLA]

Bruford just dissed Yes in a New York newspaper today saying for one thing, that he will never play with Yes again and that they (Yes) pretty much milk the Yes sound ad nauseum for what its worth with every tour they do.
I prefer Brufords sound over Whites (thats another discussion), but like Whites loyalty to Yes. I think it was newsday
I think of Fragile when I think of Bill. I think of Tales when I think of White.
It was the NY Post

That's just Bill. He always has been a bit of an english snob. I think it's funny though. If Yes offered him a gig that he thought he stood to make some big cash, he would go , I bet. He said he wanted the Union gig to go on for that reason.

I remember speaking with him once after an earthworks show in NY and was asking him about previous Earthworks CD's and if they were still in print. He was polite, but seemed a bit annoyed that I would ask if something he was on was still in print..... "Oh Yes" he said, "I just saw all the CD's in Boarders..."

I said the last the last time I had saw him before that show ( around 2000) was in 92 in Madison Square Garden with Yes...... and then I said, but I guess that was a bit of a different gig.

And in his Bruford way he said " Ah ...Yes .. ( rolling his eyes a bit at his own mention of the band).....that was a bit of a different gig." But then he smiled ...haha.

Here is the link for the short blurb Yesed mentioned:

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12012007/gossip/pagesix/say_no_to_yes_676485.htm

[Yes.2]

Every time I hear bill I feel the need for tea and crumpets warmed in a microwave.

Every time I hear allen I feel the essence of vindaloo and onion chutney; pot roast and garlic mashed potatoes with a splash of paprika warmed in the oven; scallops wrapped in bacon; fetuccini alfredo; lobster bisque.

OK, that does it....I wanna go fishin' with you ASAP!:hearts:

[Igor80]

If we are talking about the technique, it is with no hesitatation that I vote for Bruford.

In my opinion Alan White is a drummer, though excellent for what he has produced with Yes so far, but Bill is a real musician: his style is incomparable and promptly recognizable, he spent his life in innovating and looking for different ways of playing and new sounds.

If we are talking about the man, surely I cannot bear either Bill's arrogance and his attitude to Yes, but this is part, I think, of his own personality..

[Wakey's #1 Fan]

I think I've already posted my opinion...I think both are absolutely great musicians...but Alan is more handsome :winknudge

[miar]

It has to be Bill for me :)
He is really one of a kind when it comes to drumming. He is my alltime favourite drummer!

Nothing wrong with Alan thoug, but Bill adds something special to drumming I think..

[Ascend_Create]

Bill is an Art rock/jazz snob, and I love everything that he does. He's inventive, creative and has a that jazz soul that plays through and with whatever happens to be going on at the moment. Alan,on the otherhand, plays for the band and doesn't compromise. Alan has the harder part to play. Alan is the Yes drummer and he gets my vote. =P

[Write a punch line]

In the context of Yes, Bill. In the context of creativity and being truly progressive Bill.

Not to say Alan is bad, but Bill is hte man

[Yes.2]

Alan, is by far the most progessive drummer in the world next only maybe to Phill Collins.

The "era" of 1972 with Wakeman and White was the true best live.....And in studio....Relayer and Tales and Drama can not be topped. Not even by Pink Floyd.

[Full Tilt Boogie]

Which drummer is better at YES, William or Alan ?

I vote for BILL!

I agree with you.

[maninthemoon]

I love Bill's work more. It seems more organic. Alan perhaps a bit more rockin'.

[CloseToTheHedge]

In the context of Yes, Bill. In the context of creativity and being truly progressive Bill.

Not to say Alan is bad, but Bill is hte man

What he said.

I get the feeling Bill is always looking to move forward and try new things, pushing himself and wanting to truly do as much as he can with drums. Whereas Alan is a steady reliable rocking sort. (Sorry but when I saw Alan and Bill playing off each other watching that Union boot, it was kinda painful)

But I would think Alan definitely is a much better choice for Yes, considering they have enough tiffs and disagreements among themselves... they're better off as a group with someone like Alan, although Bill brought Yes to awesome places when he was with them.

[In Camera]

Bill Bruford

[rikensquire]

If you want a little something unexpected you go with Bruford, White has all the chops and can play with just about anyone. Alan is winning as of now, in the poll. Drummers and bass players are supposed to hold it all together, while adding their innovation to make the song interesting, either one can fill that bill. I'll label Bill as the bigger innovator, but didn't he just retire, and Alan is the better team player.....he has wanted to BE the Yes drummer a little more than Bill did.

[Apollo 77]

If you want a little something unexpected you go with Bruford, White has all the chops and can play with just about anyone. Alan is winning as of now, in the poll. Drummers and bass players are supposed to hold it all together, while adding their innovation to make the song interesting, either one can fill that bill. I'll label Bill as the bigger innovator, but didn't he just retire, and Alan is the better team player.....he has wanted to BE the Yes drummer a little more than Bill did.

The above is pretty well spot on. Whilst Bill is probably a more accomplished drummer from a technical point of view, I always got the impression that he got easily bored of whatever he was doing and didn't have any emotional 'feel' for whatever he was doing - learn it, perform it, move on. Alan, on the other hand always seems to really enjoy performing YES music (whilst still managing to take part in other projects) and probably understood the love of YES music much more than Bill. Whatever your view though, we've been very lucky to have two world class 'skin-beaters' in the various incarnations of our beloved Band.

[Mike Watkins]

Bruford by far....

[YESOLA]

Listen to UK's "In The dead Of Night" and you will soon discover that Bill can do it just as well. Why he didn't put forth that in Yes is anyones guess!!!



I hadn't noticed this in the thread before...this is an excellent point.

[Gemini]

I admit to being surprised that the poll results are this close. Voted for Alan, but must now re-assess.

[edarnold]

Alan White by far. Yes wouldn't even exist today if Alan White hadn't been in the band throughout those years. Not only is he a great drummer "with swing" as someone pointed out, but his personality has been crucial behind the scenes in buffering tensions within the band. May the drummer's seat never be given to another.

[yesanneyes]

Too hard to choose! My "devotion" is perhaps to Alan, but they both have such different approaches - it's tough to choose. Okay, well, uh.....Alan then.

[crystal]

Alan, is by far the most progessive drummer in the world next only maybe to Phill Collins.



pHIL SUX

Alan White rocks:appl[1]: :drummer:

[jcostello]

Alan, is by far the most progessive drummer in the world next only maybe to Phill Collins.

The "era" of 1972 with Wakeman and White was the true best live.....And in studio....Relayer and Tales and Drama can not be topped. Not even by Pink Floyd.

Other than a few (very few) of the songs during the recent Genesis reunion tour, and occasional glimpses on some of the '80s and '90s Genesis tours, Phil hasn't been a full-time progressive drummer in about 30 years.

You'd have to go back to the last time Genesis was a prog band rather than a pop band, and/or the Brand X stuff, to find Phil Collins, progressive drummer. He's been MIA, and other than their lack of hair, there isn't much comparison between Phil and Alan.

-- John SuperMegaCrazed yesfan

[kenlamb]

Should have a "Both" category as each has brought something to the great band we know as Yes, until such time I will hold off voting.


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[90125yes]

now i obiously like both drummers
but i chose alan white

bruford said on the union tour that white was the meat and he was the holanaise sauce - there for decoration

what turns me away from bruford is that he always seems grumpy about his time with YES and also his awful eletronic drum kit

he was good however in abwh

but if bruford plays a real drum kit again in hard rock format he will begin to realise why alan white is the YES drummer for me

[Vic W.]

White blows Bruford away in sheer drumming ability but I can't get away from the fact that Bruford was the guy there in the studio when most of my Yes favorites were conceived. I've got to give him credit for the uniqueness of the band that emerged as Yes.

[tidewater]

I voted for Alan because Bill is more of a jazz drummer

[Theoden]

Alan for me.

[mcnpauls]

Apart from some die-hard Yes worshippers, I have literally never met a single other person who believes White is a better drummer than Bruford.

Bruford can do anything White can do, and so much more - it's a load of old nonsense the received wisdom that BB can't do the powerful, rocking stuff, that is almost absurdly easy for him.

[The Fish]

Bruford is ancient history, White has been loyal. White for me every time.

[Vic W.]

Apart from some die-hard Yes worshippers, I have literally never met a single other person who believes White is a better drummer than Bruford.

Bruford can do anything White can do, and so much more - it's a load of old nonsense the received wisdom that BB can't do the powerful, rocking stuff, that is almost absurdly easy for him.

I disagree. When Bill tries to play that way it comes off as very stiff sounding. And when he tries to play fast, he produces a sound that reminds me of a machine gun.

Bill's forte is his creativity and cleverness, not his physical chops.

[TZ_Keyz]

I go for Alan every time with this one.

Whereas Bill Bruford is a great jazz oriented drummer, Alan is far more versatile and gives Yes a far heavier sound.
:D

I think this is an accurate accessment. I'm a fan of both drummers.

I love the "Bruford" band albums "One Of A Kind" & "Gradually Going Tornado."

Allan serves the song, we have to remember he played with John Lennon and Joe Cocker prior to Yes. That's pretty telling of his talents on a national level. A versatile and musical drummer. TZ

[JL]

Apart from some die-hard Yes worshippers, I have literally never met a single other person who believes White is a better drummer than Bruford.

Bruford can do anything White can do, and so much more - it's a load of old nonsense the received wisdom that BB can't do the powerful, rocking stuff, that is almost absurdly easy for him.

I don't think anyone here is saying that White is a better drummer than Bruford (as for the most part we have all completed the 8th grade and moved on with our lives). Alan is just the better choice for the music of Yes than Bruford.

If Bruford had stayed with Yes, some of my favorite Yes and King Crimson music would have either not existed or been much different. Thankfully, not a sacrifice I have to make!!

[Mind Driver]

I don't think anyone here is saying that White is a better drummer than Bruford (as for the most part we have all completed the 8th grade and moved on with our lives). Alan is just the better choice for the music of Yes than Bruford.

If Bruford had stayed with Yes, some of my favorite Yes and King Crimson music would have either not existed or been much different. Thankfully, not a sacrifice I have to make!!

Agreed.

[mcnpauls]

I don't think anyone here is saying that White is a better drummer than Bruford (as for the most part we have all completed the 8th grade and moved on with our lives). Alan is just the better choice for the music of Yes than Bruford.

If Bruford had stayed with Yes, some of my favorite Yes and King Crimson music would have either not existed or been much different. Thankfully, not a sacrifice I have to make!!


But you're wrong - lots and lots of people here are saying that White is a better drummer than Bruford, and isn't that the point of the thread, anyway? (I really don't get your reference to 8th grade at all.)

White is not the better choice for the music of Yes, he has never contributed to a Yes album as great as "Close to the Edge" or "The Yes Album". Yes peaked with Bruford, and I see this as no coincidence - of course there has been much fabulous music since then, and much great drumming from White, but the band were better with Bruford, who is a superior drummer and composer.

Of course Yes music would be different if Bruford had stayed in the band, but I happen to think much of it would have been even better. I'd have hoped, for instance, that Bruford's sanity would have mitigted the madness and indulgence of the "Topographic" period, for instance, and I'm sure patrick Moraz would have been given a much fairer crack of the whip with Bruford in the band.

[islandsofarabia]

he has never contributed to a Yes album as great as "Close to the Edge" or "The Yes Album".

Yessongs. Tales from Topographic Oceans. Relayer. To me, they are all equally as great as those two you mention.

Prior to the existence of The Yes Album, Alan was contributing to legendary albums "All Things Must Pass" and "Imagine". Playing on "Instant Karma". "My Sweet Lord". Now what was that part on Your Move? "give peace a chance" or something like that?

[mcnpauls]

Yessongs. Tales from Topographic Oceans. Relayer. To me, they are all equally as great as those two you mention.

Prior to the existence of The Yes Album, Alan was contributing to legendary albums "All Things Must Pass" and "Imagine". Playing on "Instant Karma". "My Sweet Lord". Now what was that part on Your Move? "give peace a chance" or something like that?

I respect your opinions, but don't share them about Topographic and Relayer - I think much of the reputation of Yes as being laughabale, self-indulgent hippies can be traced back to Topographic, and that Relayer was too strange and difficult an album to regain the the momentum for their careers that an accessible yet awesome masterpiece like Close to the Edge had given the band.

Whilst it's true White played on some notable albums prior to Yes, he was not one of the composers or equals in the creative process, being a backing musician. Funny thing is that since joining Yes, nobody else seems to be desperate to have him playing with them, very different to Bruford.

[90125yes]

Apart from some die-hard Yes worshippers, I have literally never met a single other person who believes White is a better drummer than Bruford.

Bruford can do anything White can do, and so much more - it's a load of old nonsense the received wisdom that BB can't do the powerful, rocking stuff, that is almost absurdly easy for him.

____

white is a better drummer than bruford - you have met me now !!!