I just bought "Tales from Topographic Oceans" !!!

[The Fish]

Finally! First I only had it on tape, recorded from my dad's LP, but now I finally got it on CD!!! The sound is great and I love that cover.

Really, the songs are still brilliant. My favorite is "Ritual". What's yours ???

[RobAdams]

Every part of the whole is terrific. I can't pick a favorite. I love the extremely long guitar solo adventure on THE ANCIENT, I love Squire's bass solo that preceeds the drum section of RITUAL. Rick does some nice stuff on THE REMEMBERING and THE REVEALING SCIENCE OF GOD is just as great as the rest of this overwhelming link between CTTE and RELAYER. A very daring move at the time - a two record set consisting of one long song.

"Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all"
Ian Anderson

[ronw]

Keep listening to it The Fish. If your like me my favorite changes back and forth every couple of months.

Hey there The Fish, I agree completely with i-and-i. The whole thing is an inspired miracle. Those sections i-and-i pointed out for you are noteworthy. I can see your happy ears dancing. You'll have to keep us posted on how you are finding our lovely Tales.

[The Fish]

This is a cool board

[fragilesi]

I've started listening to Tales a bit more regularly now, I've always adored the first two sides and I've been turned onto Ritual in a big way by the latest tour. It was fabulous and so theatrical live.

I've just never really gotten into most of the Ancient, I guess it's not as accessible as the rest and I need to try it again . . .

Simon.

[Original_Shifty]

I'm with you on the Ancient fragilesi. It's a diffucult listen. However, there are times I can talk myself into sticking with it knowing the accoustic part of the song is there to be enjoyed.

[The Fish]

Well, I really love THE ANCIENT cause I adore experimental music. That's why I love ISLANDS and LARKS' TONGUES IN ASPIC by King Crimson so much.

The acoustic part in THE ANCIENT is fantastic. Especially the melody.

But the moment when the begin-guitar-solo blasts into the mellotron, THAT moment is EXCELLENT!!!

I'm with you The Fish! The Ancient is so great. I think it's a miracle.

[fragilesi]

Looks like I'd better give it another spin then! The "leaves of Green" part has always been a favourite, one of a very few parts of Steve's I ever learnt to play. Obviously the rest is just out there waiting for me!

Simon.

Good going fragilesi! I'd be interested in what you find. You're right about the rest being out there waiting for you. Keep me posted.

[Yes Oz]

I rediscover tales when I got it on CD a few months ago. Before that I hadn't listen to it for at least 10-15 yrs on my old "vinlyn's". Well it was a very pleasnat surprise to me as What I considered to be the "weakest" track back then is now my favorite. That is "The Ancient". I can't remember what it was that I didn't like back then but what ever it was has all changed now...Funny isn't it. But then I find that with alot of Yes stuff. What I love today I may not listen to in a few years time then go back to it and love it even more.

That is what is so special about Yes music the fun of "rediscovering"

Ok Fish, it's time to weigh in. Where are your thoughts now?

[Plastic Man]

right now my favorite song is the rememberbing. i feel its highly underrated. in fact i think its one of yes' 5 best songs ever.

Yes, Plastic Man. It is lovely and wonderful, isn't it?

[Plastic Man]

its more than lovely and wonderful...i think its the best song on that album. i bet i'm the only one too...

I've seen Charl8e express that he thought that The Remembering was the best cut for him as well. Others have said the same thing. I can't say it only because I can't say one is better than the other. I think I love them all equally as each has their own magic and offers their own realizations.

The Remembering has such a wonderful dreamlike quality to it. That's what makes it stand out for me.
The Ancient's Steve solo--right in the beginning, is what gets me about that song. It blows me away each time I hear it.
Of course the intro to The Revealing Science of God--"Dawn of light lying between a silence and sold sources"...all the way to, "I must have waited all my life for this moment moment moment moment!" is powerful stuff for me.
And finally, Ritual is such a wonderful coming together of all the themes--where the entire journey makes sense completely and finally.

Tales is a work of masterpiece, the likes of which the world has never seen before or since. It makes me so happy to see others enjoying it too.

[BredYes]

12 years ago I listen to Tales for the first time. I did not like it very much at that time. But today it is one of my favorite albums. The Remembering is my favorite song now, but before I preferred Ritual and The revealing science. So it is changing every year. It would be incredible to hear the Remembering live.

Thanks BredYes. See, Plastic Man, you're not alone afterall.

[ronw]

Plastic Man I'd probabley have to agree with you. Right now at least The Remembering is my fav. song on the album. It's incredible, and been listening to it everyday for about 2 months now. I first was with Revealing, then Ritual and now The Remembering. I love The Ancient also but is 4th on my list.

[Plastic Man]

wow, i thought i was the only one. the same thing happened to me that some of you mentioned, not really liking the album at first but then really liking the revealing science of god and ritual, but not the middle 2 tracks, and then discovering how good the middle 2 are. i sort of got tired of tracks 1 and 4, so i'm taking a break from them. i still dont really like the ancient though. i should give it another try. but its weird, all along i thought the remembering was boring and then all of a sudden i listened to it and it was incredible. the parts i really like about the remembering are when they go into the "relayer!" part and rock it out, and the beutiful acoustic work in parts like "Force the bit between the mouth of freedom didn't we learn to fly", and my favorite part of the entire song is near the end, when steve howe goes crazy on guitar, and he puts in a little revealing science of god melodies in there, "Stand on hills of long forgotten yesterdays!" those 3 things are why i love that song so much.

I can appreciate that Plastic Man. Those parts sound way good to me too.

Even though The Ancient may seem a bit weird, contemplate this:
try to imagine what state of mind Steve had to be in to create that sound--not necessarily high or whatever--but just to be able to have those kinds of thoughts in one's mind. That idea alone blows my mind--that anyone could come up with such an idea as that. Let that be your entre and you can fly with it from there. It is wonderful.

[Yesmaniac]

I recently purchased the HDCD remix of TFTO and WOW what a difference! The increased clarity is well worth the cost.

[bjm0rwo]

Yesmaniac.Where did you get the HDCD of Tales? I was disappointed in the remastered version I obtained.Better than nothing,even though it only cost me $3 at Columbia House,I still would like a definitive copy of my favorite alblum. Or maybe I'll hold out for the Rhino version.

[The Fish]

I have the ATLANTIC version.

Originally posted by Yesmaniac
I recently purchased the HDCD remix of TFTO and WOW what a difference! The increased clarity is well worth the cost.

Hey Yesmaniac, I'm not sure what HDCD means. Will that appear on the recording? Does it play on any machine? How much was your copy and where can you get one?

And by the way, Yesmaniac, (I love your name) I see this is your first post. Welcome to the site! Keep coming back, Keep coming back, Keep coming back....

:)

[The Fish]

Hey yesmaniac !!! Be very welcome at this board!!

I'm a yesmaniac too. 17 years old (!) and very pleased to meet you!

[Yesmaniac]

HD refers to high definition I believe. It utilizes 24 bit processing. They are available only as Japanese imports at this time and as such are not cheap. $54.00 for TFTO at towerrecords.com. Others vary from $22.00 to $28.00. They will play and sound better on any standard player, but sound best on one with an HD decoder. Most newer DVD players come so equipped. There really is a marked difference in sound quality, it just jumps right out at you. One for instance is the intro to Reavealing Science... I always though it sounded a bit murky even on the remixed version, on this one though it is crystal clear.

Originally posted by Yesmaniac
HD refers to high definition I believe. It utilizes 24 bit processing. They are available only as Japanese imports at this time and as such are not cheap. $54.00 for TFTO at towerrecords.com. Others vary from $22.00 to $28.00. One for instance is the intro to Reavealing Science... I always though it sounded a bit murky even on the remixed version, on this one though it is crystal clear.

I guess that's the good news and the bad news. Thanks though.

[BredYes]

Hey Plastic Man,

I totally agree with you about the favorite moments of The Remembering you choose. The change into the accoustic part is really beautiful.

And The Fish: a new Yes fan from Holland! That is nice. I discovered Yes when I was 16 (that was 1988). Yes will find next generations in every time. What was your introduction album?

And for you and other Dutch Yes fans: This weekend I saw most Yes albums (including Tales) in HDCD-version at the Amsterdam music store Fame. It is expensive but apparently of good quality.

BredYes

[YYY]

TALES is a complete masterpiece. To choose one side is very difficult. Each side is has its own personnality yet to truly understand the oneness of the whole album you must listen to it in its entirity. what's great about 'TALES' is - the music of each side feels emotionally exactly like the words (or theme).

If I were forced to comment on a particular side, I would have to say that the "RSOG" always brings me close to tears, It is incredibly breathtaking. It flows and ebbs like the tides of the ocean. Which is where life began anyway. Its always been one of my most perfect YES epics.

'The Remembering" is like a wonderful dreamy lullaby. It has the the ability to tranform you back to your childhood and make you recall memories that you thought you'd long forgotten. In this life and lives passed. Appropriately titled, don't you think?

'The Ancient'. Now doesn't this obviously give one the sense of being in a time of ancient civilizations that had the knowledge of the source of all things through metaphysical and spiritual awareness. Very raw, trancedental and trippy ( like a time machine). The 'Ancient' is pure genious. Only for very hardcore YesFans as well.

Now we come to the 'Ritual'. And that it is. Again, simply a perfect work of art. Its an amazing celebration and an extroadinary finally. As we are brought back to ceremoniously recall and give praises to all the great moments of our existense on this planet and beyond............

I love 'TALES'. Its flawless

YYY, a yesfan after my own heart. You know I agree with you on this!

[Mrsteve]

I purchased Tales the week it was released. Told everyone I knew that it was as good as Close to the Edge. Listened many, many times over a 5 year period then stopped for some reason.

Fast forward 19 years. Saw the Open Your Eyes tour and the performance of RSOG. How beautiful it was. I again listen to it almost everyday. I love every piece of this magnifcent work and especially RSOG after the live experience. Bought a CD recorder this past Christmas and put my vinyl version of Tales to CD. Sounds exactly like it always sounded on my home system - GREAT. Finding this thread I now must put the CD in and listen.

[YYY]

When 'TALES" was originallly released, my first impression was that this album (musically) truly feels and sounds exactly like the subject matter. I'm saying that even without the words, I would understand the intent of the songs just through the music. The same way as 'Relayer' feels exactly like "war" on 'GATES' and 'SOUND CHASER' makes you chase the sound while listening to it. You understand just through the music. That's also why 'TALES' is so amazing and why YES is so incredible.

[Mrsteve]

was all I understood when I first listened. The concepts where unfortunately beyond my understanding at 18. But the music spoke to me . .

Great overview of Tales YYY - Thank you.

[Plastic Man]

listen to it every day? i just cant do that. only when i first purchase an album. like i just bought trilogy by ELP and i love it, but im careful not to listen to it more than once a day, because i dont want to ruin it like i did so many yes albums.

and a side note, i love the song 'The Sheriff' my favorite song on that album.

[Mrsteve]

It's in the background at least once everyday while I'm at work. Not intently listening to every note. Sometimes I don't really even hear it but I always feel it in my soul.

[Squireaholic]

I'm in full agreement with Yessiree and YYY ( big surprise). To those of you new to TFTO, note the following:
I believe that listening to TFTO, you have to take a step back, mentally speaking and experience all four pieces as an interlocking whole, continuing endlessly. I bought it when it first came out, listened constantly as I do with all new Yes, set it aside, came back, never disliking but always keeping aware of the latest music from my favorite musicians. I went through many years of liking first one part, then another, then a section here and there.
Now, TFTO is like a well worn novel: I 'bookmark in my mind where I left off, and continue listening. It's hard to set aside 80-plus minutes to listen non-stop all the way around once, but I do it when I can.

And just How do you 'wear out' Yes music, Plasticman?

[Plastic Man]

i dunno, too many listens and it doesnt sound as good to me as it used to. like roundabout, i used to love that song as much as a person could love a song, but too many plays, on the radio and on my fragile album, and i dont like it as much. some of you, you can play an album every day and never get tired of it, i cant.

Originally posted by YYY
When 'TALES" was originallly released, my first impression was that this album (musically) truly feels and sounds exactly like the subject matter. I'm saying that even without the words, I would understand the intent of the songs just through the music. The same way as 'Relayer' feels exactly like "war" on 'GATES' and 'SOUND CHASER' makes you chase the sound while listening to it. You understand just through the music. That's also why 'TALES' is so amazing and why YES is so incredible.

Once more, YYY, you got it right. Exactly.

Originally posted by Squireaholic
I believe that listening to TFTO, you have to take a step back, mentally speaking and experience all four pieces as an interlocking whole, continuing endlessly.

I think that is the key Squireaholic. I think that is why so many people miss this album. As most albums are not made like this one--most are made with this song and that song and you may like this one but not that one. Tales is in a class of its own. Each piece is a part of one whole. They are all dependent on one another. It requires a lot from a listener. Some people are not willing to put in the investment. Putting in that investment reaps endless rewards. I'm still getting new stuff from Tales each time I hear it. It is magic. Plain and simple.

Originally posted by Plastic Man
i dunno, too many listens and it doesnt sound as good to me as it used to. like roundabout, i used to love that song as much as a person could love a song, but too many plays, on the radio and on my fragile album, and i dont like it as much. some of you, you can play an album every day and never get tired of it, i cant.

I'm kind of with Plastic Man on this one. Not because I get tired of it necessarily but something else. Particularly with Tales, it seems almost sacred and thus seems like I'm taking it lightly when I play it often. So then, when I do put it on, I know it's time to pay attention--really give it my full attention and try to get everything out of it that I can. As I don't always have that kind of time, I tend to not play it all the time. But when I do, I'm in heaven.

[ronw]

I play it quite frequently, actually a lot lately. Usually when I go to bed. It is very soothing and relaxing. Usually I'll play RSOG and The Remembering and then sleep like a rock.

[Ahkin]

I have a word to say about Tales. Don't give me wrong, I love the album from beginning to end, but I think it could've been done even better.

Let me explain a bit. I think the cover of the album is fantastic, the best Yes cover ever. It completely captures the essence of the idea behind the album. And this is the thing: I think the idea of the album is so extremely ambitious and wonderful that the music succeeds to deliver the whole 'message' only occasionally and not entirely continuously.

So I think Tales from Topographic Oceans is an album of huge potential. But it seems that every member of the band that time wasn't completely behind the idea. If the presence of the topographic ocean, our mind's eye, would've been stronger in every Yes man, Tales would've propably been the most perfect album in the world.

[RobAdams]

TALES was one of the first 5 YES albums I bought after falling in love with their music back in 1977. I thought it was fascinating then, and I still do. At present, I am without TALES. I have RSOG on KEYS and RITUAL on YESSHOWS plus the TALES version on YESYEARS. When I finally get the CD, I'll probably break my usual tradition of hearing it in order. I miss THE REMEMBERING and THE ANCIENT so much, I'll probably devour them as the creme filling, then eat the two outer cookies last. Just that one time!

Originally posted by Ahkin
Tales would've propably been the most perfect album in the world.

Would've, Would've?!! IS!

And not only the most perfect album in the world, the most perfect artistic creation in all of humankind! For Tales, Yes should receive the Nobel Prize.

[Ahkin]

Yessiree, then I can only be happy that it's so completely enough for you :)

[mrgone3]

First of all a good choice for your collection!But it is very awkward to approach this at one go.It took me quite a few listenings to appreciate it.Everybody TALKs about CD nowadays.but nothing beats a well preserved vinyl copy of the old masters.The first CD I ever bought was BIG GENERATOR.I still see YES but have not bought any new stuff since I threw away OYE! JOE ::guitar::band::keyboard::angel:

Originally posted by mrgone3
I still see YES but have not bought any new stuff since I threw away OYE! JOE

You'd better get that credit card out mrgone 3. You don't know what you are missing--not having Magnification! It's wonderful! Really!

[mrgone3]

OKAY Pat!I'll check it out.They played a couple of tracks at the show.you know it was only a few days after they played in NYC when the WTC was hit.Gates of Delirium!I wonder how the band felt.They love NY!Anyway I always felt TFTO was a bit heavy handed at times.Either underproduced or rushed into production too fast before the band could really hash it out and make the sound gel.Ritual is the one track which sounds clean and immediate.I like to whip it out on those ski trips cause it fits in with the environment.Especially Revealing and Remembering. JOE :band::keyboard::angel:

[YYY]

Originally posted by Squireaholic
I believe that listening to TFTO, you have to take a step back, mentally speaking and experience all four pieces as an interlocking whole, continuing endlessly.
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I appreciate 'TALES' the most when I have the time to listen to the complete album from beginning to end. Although I usually listen to 'RSOG' when I simply need a quick 'TALES' fix. YYY

Originally posted by ILLUSION
"Revealing" is the highlight of the album in my opinion - try listening to it in the dark - it's great. Not a big fan of the 2nd CD at all (not even RITUAL which seems to be quite popular).
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'RSOG' sweeps through me like a dream. It is one of those exquisite pieces of music that completely engulfs the part of my brain that is responsible for deep meditation. Sometimes I am able to transcent and forget that this music was manmade or created by physical instrument. 'RSOG' has the ability to send you into a world that is completely organic, pure and natural. Its flows from one passage to the next so smooth that it feels as if it was created by something divine. I am not saying that YES is divine, but when they created 'RSOG they were definately touch by divinty.

Again, I love 'The Remembering'. One of the prettiest melodies that Jon has ever done is when he sings - "HGH THE MEMORY CARRIES ON> WHILE THE MOMENT STARTS TO LINGER>THE STRENGTH REGAINS US IN BETWEEN OUR TIME - awesome!

'THE ANCIENT' is simply incredible. Radical even for YES. This is the kind of courage I wish they still had today mixed in with the 'MAG' energy.

You know you've come to end of a great experience as soon as 'THE RITUAL' begins. Its the finale of all finales. I'm usually riding Chris bass all the way through this one, while giving Steve a glance every now and then.

When I've overdosed and need to take a break from most of my favorite YES music, I can always turn to 'TALES' to pull me through

[The Fish]

Originally posted by illusion
Hi everyone, I'm a 16 year old male YESFAN. This is my first post; although I've been reading posts for about a month.

I think "Tales" is good, but not as good as YESSONGS, GOING FOR THE ONE or 90125. I love both Yes eras, but I don't like early Banks stuff (but TAAW from KTA is cool), or OYE or UNION. Everything else is good.

"Revealing" is the highlight of the album in my opinion - try listening to it in the dark - it's great. Not a big fan of the 2nd CD at all (not even RITUAL which seems to be quite popular).

Any other young YESFANS out there? Hello new one! I am a young fan, too. I am 17 years old and male, too.

I'm the one who started this tread, too!!

Well, TALES is one of my favorites, but FRAGILE is the best for me. You say you prefer the 1st TALES cd. I prefer the 2nd. THE ANCIENT and RITUAL are perfect! I am a fan of King Crimson, ELP, UK and many other progressive/symphonic rock bands.

I love the YES albums till TORMATO. The work after that (DRAMA, 90125, BIG GENERATOR) is also good, but not YES anymore to me.

[Ahkin]

Me too sevenTEEN.

Very cool, yes youngsters. Nice concept. Glad to have you all aboard. Now if you would spread the word with your pals.....

[mrgone3]

Hey new kids.It is so refreshing to see a young person come online and say they bought Tales at 17.I think I was about seventeen when I had bought that on 8-track.I saw them at the same age for the first time.Tales is the hardest album to approach.Yes go forth and spread the word if you can.And we will finally be free of Mariah,'NStink and JaRule.YAY!And please come help us cheer the boys when they come back.JOE

[Ahkin]

I bought Tales at 16. And I think I made a couple of my friends buy it by saying so nice things about it.

[The Fish]

Originally posted by illusion


I don't think thats gonna be possible, people fall into two groups:

1) The rap/RnB/dance/pop lovers (these walk around doing bad impressions of Ali G and using the words "#####" and "nigger" a lot. Not easy to spot unless you hear them talk)

2) The 'nu metal'/punk lovers (these walk around wearing black clothes and chains. Easy to spot.)

The groups tend to be split 50/50 and hate each other. And none of them are potential YES fans. Yes, I know exactly what you mean. Here in Holland they are like that, too. AAARGH!!! I hate that 'groupies' thing! People don't have their own taste of music. They all like what they like from eachother. YAGH!

Well, I'm happy to be grown up with real music. Namely classical (good) pop/rock, jazz AND of course...progressive/symphonic music.

It can be accessible or not, commercial or not, I can listen to EVERYTHING!! For my age, I am kinda ... unusual, unfortunately.

Originally posted by illusion
And none of them are potential YES fans.

I can't buy that completely as YOU are the reason that I cannot! You are a young Yes fan and you have a peer group and you obviously do not fall into one of those strictly determined narrow minded roles. I'm sure you have some friends like yourself. Talk to them and come back and tell us of your experience.

[Jackaranda]

I was SO into tales during my cigar smoking days, but now, all these years later, I see great stuff, some of the best Yes music ever, but also an awful lot of padding, especially on side 3. RSOG I love. Ritual also. But really, the only other part I can listen to nowadays is Leaves of Green. That's pure beauty.

I always thought the production was fairly poor, I don't know exeactly why.

So I have mixed emotions about Tales. Jack....

Originally posted by jack gowen
an awful lot of padding, especially on side 3.


Jack, even though I love you, we will have to agree to disagree on this one. I cannot imagine even one note being removed so the idea of padding is just unthinkable to me. Side 3 is, as all the other sides are, sheer majesty and profound beauty, perfect in every moment. Now, I know I am in the minority but I'm quite resolute on that one.

[Jackaranda]

As I stated in another thread about Tales, I really do respect your dedication and loyalty to the album. If I knew anyone in person that loved Tales as much as you do, I'm sure that person would be a friend. Jack....

[Ahkin]

Side 3 is one of the most perfect things Yes has ever done. So daring, so innovative.

And I think that many young people would like Yes if they had a chance to sit down and just listen to a good Yes album. For example, young musicians are usually open for influences, and I'm sure there are plenty of young guitar players who would love Stewe's playing, and young drummers would be in awe listening to Bill and Alan. People should sometimes turn off their radio and search for good music elsewhere. I did it when I was 13 or 14, and walked into a record store. I found a Led Zeppelin album and thought: "Hey, isn't Led Zeppelin that famous rock band from the seventies?" After a couple of minutes of listening I knew I had found some great music. I bought the album, Led Zeppelin II, and I was on my way to Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, King Crimson.. and Yes.

Originally posted by Ahkin
Side 3 is one of the most perfect things Yes has ever done. So daring, so innovative.

I bought the album, Led Zeppelin II, and I was on my way to Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd, King Crimson.. and Yes.

Well, you know I agree with you about Side 3, Ahkin!

Your entre to Yes came in a similar same order as mine. I think Hendrix was first then Zeppelin II and then heaven itself opened up when I found Fragile.

And Jack, I was thinking about Tales being your drug album. I'm wondering if you were doing the right drugs? hahahah

[Jackaranda]

I did it ALL!!!!!!! You name it, if it was before the early 80's, I did it.

Thank God no more (except rarely-special occasions, you know). A clear head is the best head...Jack....

You must believe in yourself more. You have powers of persuasion that are being left untapped. I believe in you. Spread the word of happiness to the world. Open some heads. You can do it!

What I'm thinking is--if you have any guitar players in your sphere, if you can get them to listen to Steve--on anything--they would not be able to help themselves. See they never get to hear anything like this and it would totally blow their minds. I think you will be amazed if you try this.

[Jackaranda]

All this talk about Tales has me wanting to listen to it again (it's been a while).

It's also got me wanting a cup of green tea.

Originally posted by illusion
I used to try to offer an explaination of who Yes actually are, but I got bored of explaining it. Most of the time I just change the topic of conversation.

Ok illusion, that's certainly a start. Next time don't try to explain it, just put on Heart of the Sunrise. Let Yes talk for themselves. Get your friend in the car and start driving so he'll be a captured audience. Plan a trip somewhere--a day trip and take only Yes. I think Fragile would be a good place to start. Maybe The Yes Album. Try it like that. If your friend plays guitar, when he hears Steve do his thing, he won't be able to help himself and a new convert will be born.


And Jack regarding your listening to Tales? I'd say that is a very wise decision. Happiness awaits you.

Regarding your choice of tea, might I recommend Bigelow Mango Green Tea? It's delicious!

[charl8e]

I have 2 thoughts, though, about TFTO. One is that it needs to be re-mixed, it sounds so muddy, especially when you listen to individual tracks next to other Yes recordings (even stuff from Time & A Word sounds clean & well-produced, compared to TFTO)... is the re-mastered CD set any clearer? (Or is it that my ears deceive me?)

Second thought: musically, it would work better if the sequence was:
1, 3, 2, 4.
Don't you think?

Remixed? Ok I'll go along with that. I have a remixed version but I have not put it on yet but some on this site say that it's not much of an improvement.

Regarding changing the arrangement? I don't think so. Here's why. I think that the first side sets you up for a journey. Side two takes you all the way out there into the unformed. Side three lets you groove into and play around in the unformed and then toward the end it begins to bring you back. Finally Side 4 brings you all the way back home--with a slight detour for good measure and memory of the entire journey--but safe and sound and better for having made the journey.

That's why I see it as one song. One side without the others doesn't provide the expansive view that Yes intended. It seems like something is missing--because it is--when only one side is heard. It would be like playing only the middle 3 minutes of Heart of the Sunrise or the last 3 minutes. Nice, but you miss the full richness of the experience and it would seem like another piece entirely.

[Jackaranda]

I agree about the production, it should have been louder.

Thr Remembering has been in my head all day.

It's side 3 that I have the most problem with, except for Leaves of Green.

You know you are not alone in that Jack. It is the MOST far out that Steve has EVER done. And Steve likes to go out there so for this to be his most far out, that's saying something. You've just got to trust him and know that he is wise, exceedingly talented, has great vision and that he will take you on a journey that will open your eyes and make you happy. I'd recommend putting it on when you know you will not be interruped and really try to hear what he is saying--what he is creating. It is the definition of shockingly beautiful.

[Jackaranda]

No wonder that part (side 3) was so much harder for Wakeman than the others. Jon was the driving force for the project, so you know he liked it; Alan had worked with Yoko; and Chris would do just about anything (after all, he had side 4 to shine on).

But even in the mad times side 3 was difficult for all of us (we had a core group of Yes fans back then). It was usually 1 or 4 and sometimes 2. So see, I've been into Tales since 1975 or so, it's just been so long that I actually listened to it all the way through. ..Jack...

Of course, I'd recommend giving it another shot or three. It's truely wonderful.

[Earl Grey]

Try this: some ginsing mixed with some herb: don't worry, it's great!

Side three took a few listens back when...
I think I appreciated it when I got into jazz, back in '78 or so. It had more in common with Coltraine than it had with Close To The Edge...
Some angular stuff... Like a Klee painting. Modernism as far left as it can go. Like a New York Skyline... Or a blue line of smoke etch-a-scetching it's way to the ceiling, eminating from the ember of your own cigarette.

I've learned to appreciate the third side of TALES.

Earlie.

[charl8e]

I like side 3, but think it is spoiled by Leaves O f Green (too corny for moi!)

Originally posted by charl8e
I like side 3, but think it is spoiled by Leaves O f Green (too corny for moi!)

You know I can see that. But I think this is Yes' way of bringing us back to our bodies.

[Jackaranda]

I'm talking about the Rutles type tea (newspaper headline from 'All You Need Is Cash', the Rutles documentary:"Stones Busted--Nude girl and teapot"). You know, tea was the substance responsible for the Rutles' journey into psychodelic music.

Oh, THAT kind of tea. Even better!

[Jackaranda]

Tea is our code name--I know I've mentioned it before. It's like, me and the wife pretty much gave up tea, although we'll have a cup or two every so often.

[Earl Grey]

I've always loved the 'Leaves of Green' section: was so happy to hear it live again during Masterworks...

Corny perhaps, but just try and get that melody out of your head!

Gorgeous acoustic by Steve: I'm a sucker for gorgeous acoustic work!

The Rutles "All you need is cash!" What a larf!

Earlie.

[Jackaranda]

George Harrison said The Rutles was the best Beatles documentary ever done. What a cast! Monty Python and the original SNL. Brilliantly done, and still funny every time I see it.

[Earl Grey]

Yellow Submarine Sandwich! I loved the flying water faucets!
And Eric Idyl running to catch up with the camera...
"The Ratkeller! And here is one of the original rats!"

George's cameo was priceless! Wasn't it great that the Oscars gave George recognition in the eulogizing bit? I wondered if this ruffled any feathers of those attending the awards show, as Harrison received a bigger cookie than Jack Lemmon and other late Hollywood movers and shakers.

Harrison said in an interview that whatever it was that set the Beatles apart from the crowd had moved on to Monty Python...
That Python was the direct decendant of The Beatles...
Could be, could be. Nudge Nudge Wink Wink, say no more!
Now how can we gracefully segue this thread back to Tales From Topographic Oceans? Uh... Quick, think fast! Sorry Mr Lutterbie!

Earl Grey

[Earl Grey]

Tales is the direct decendant of Abbey Road... Where the Beatles could have gone if they had been better musicians! I bet Lennon liked side three... "Number nine, number nine." Then again, Lennon didn't like jazz. Hmm.
anyway, I think i got us back on track, sort-of.

E.G.

[Jackaranda]

Hooray for Rutlemania!! My favorie scene is the sitting in the shower for peace...although EVERY SINGLE THING in that movie is funny.

Back to Tales, I always likened it to the White Album, lots of great, classic music but not enough to justify a double album.

Because of yessiree, The Remembering has been stuck in my head for 2 days. She must have some kind of cosmic topographic powers....Jack....

Yes!

It's all for your own good! hahaha!

[charl8e]

Er, but what do you say if you really DO drink tea?

A lovely and refreshing beverage with your toke? What's better than that? Er... perhaps some mushrooms with your Tales?

[Jackaranda]

Funny what we were talking about today. Seems the lady of the house used to do mushrooms a lot. It never really came up until I told her that I'd seen that mentioned on a post or two. I never got into them. I know I said I did a lot, but that was just never around, for some reason. It's been a long time for her. It's only an occasional cup of tea here, and only then when the kids are asleep. Anyway, her eyes just lit up and she said that if she could do that just one more time......Then we just say "yeah, right".

Here's your opportunity to score big, Jack. Get her some mushrooms for the Yes concert coming up. Bring along some tea to round out the evening. She will be forever in your debt and you will be BMOC!

[Jackaranda]

Don't think that hasn't crossed my mind!! As soon as I said the M word it was like wow!!!

You've got to realize that we don't exactly get out too much--children do that, especially as many as we have. It has to be a really special occasion. But I bet she'd even go to a Yes concert for that (Lisa is not exactly a Yes freak, to put it mildly).

I'm game. Let's see what the schedule looks like. Also, after tonite (I'm on child alert tonite) I'll be gone for several days. I'll be working and sleeping. And then there's Easter, too. So much to do, so little time. I'll be around for a while tonite...Jack...

Originally posted by jack gowen
It has to be a really special occasion. But I bet she'd even go to a Yes concert for that (Lisa is not exactly a Yes freak, to put it mildly).

I would put money on it that if you did get her some shrooms for the Yes concert that she would become a devotee right before your very eyes. Yes knows how to take care of those with altered heads very well. It will change her life and yours and for the better.

[Jackaranda]

Now that's really a bold statement to make. Except for Rabin (and that's mostly for his looks), she absolutely does not like Yes. She's been to 2 concerts, and actually enjoyed one of them (but she'd had a few brewskies that night, I think). So you gotta see where I'm coming from.

I actually went to the 91 Union show by myself, and I'd rather do that than be with a non Yes fan.

If she turns into a Yes fan, I'll believe in anything!!!

Originally posted by jack gowen
I actually went to the 91 Union show by myself, and I'd rather do that than be with a non Yes fan.

If she turns into a Yes fan, I'll believe in anything!!!

Ok here's the plan Jack. What you do is between now and then keep Yes on as much as possible. Keep it low so she won't complain, but keep it on. Those sounds will be becoming familiar to her creating neurological pathways so that when she does see them, the songs will not be unfamiliar and strange. And unbeknownst to her she will be primed. When the combination of the hallucinogenic, the Yes music and the concert atmosphere all hit at the same time, she will be blown away and she will wonder where she has been for all those years--how she could have been so not appreciative of the splendor that is Yes. Result: your wife's brain will be rewired and you will have a life partner who is a Yes fan.

Regarding going to a Yes concert with a non-Yes fan, there is no reason unless they want to sit by themselves somewhere where you can't be affected by their cluelessness. Even then you would not want to inflict that energy onto anyone else present.

[Jackaranda]

You're brilliant, yessiree!

Why thank you. I'm looking forward to hearing all the details of the concert and how your wife is a new Yes fan. Heck, I suspect she will be joining us on Yesfans telling her views too. You guys are going to have to fight for the keyboard!

[Jackaranda]

I might have said it on the wrong thread, but I'll have to go easy on her with Yes. Very subliminal, you know.

Hopefully we'll be at the same show, but like I said, I have to see just exactly what they are going to do, then we'll go from there.

If Lisa actually got into Tales, then the second coming must be real close!!!

Originally posted by illusion
1) The person was in love with Yes. I don't know him anymore (he was very strange)
2) I can't drive (you need to be 17 before you can take the test in the UK)

And yessire, you have some great ideas - have you ever turned someone on to Yes and how?

Hey there illusion. Thanks! Well there are a variety of things that I do to turn people on to Yes. One thing is to invite them to my home and play stuff for them. I'll go over the lyrics and point out different things for them to watch for. As there is so much going on, the uninitiated may need some help at first.

Another thing is to talk about Yes and pique their interest. Then I allow them to borrow my recordings or make a copy for them to listen to.

Another thing I do is to buy Yes presents--Christmas presents of Yes cds. What better Christmas present is there?

Another thing I do is talk talk talk Yes with anyone who will listen.

Also I call local radio stations and engage the dj's into conversations about how we need Yes and how they need to play them.

So that's what comes to mind initially. Basically, I always have Yes on the brain, so it just comes out. Hope those are helpful suggestions. Try some of those and think of some of your own and let us know of your experience.

Too bad about your ex-friend. Hope he is doing ok. Now, the question is, when are you going to be 17 so you can get a captured audience of your own? hahaha

Lotto? That's for fantasy purposes only.

You can still invite potential Yes fans to your home for a serious brainwashing session.

[Earl Grey]

A dose of ecstacy and TALES on the stereo should do it: that particular chemical is known for breaking down barriers and creating new neural pathways...
Sounds about right (Not that I'd EVER encourage illicit use of chemicals: MDMA is illegal! Hehe).

hehe indeed! Dirty ol' brains needed a good scrub.

E.G.

[Earl Grey]

Ooops. There's that strange octogon again... (Octogon? Polygon? It's moving too fast for me to count the sides).

Never do a drug that you may have to keep doing: smoking tobacco falls under that particular category, and take it from me: you don't want to go there.

I'm a long-haired counter-cultural 'healthy' (cough/wheeze!) vegitarian working musician/home nurse who is hopelessly addicted to tobacco.
It sucks, and isn't very YES-like.

Tobacco sucks the root of the world & should be outlawed, while cannibus sativa (Marijuana) should be legal as cool aid. It isn't any more addicting than junk-food, and much better for you than Carl's Jr. Of course, if you do it all the time you'll become fat and lazy. Don't do it all the time, ok?

Strange world we live in.

Earl ('cough cough') Greylungs. :(
(I quit the nasty stuff before the next birthday. I mean it!).

[Jackaranda]

I had to take it to a TFTO thread, you know. You know I agree about it being on video.

About tapping into God conciousness, absolutely anyone can do it. I don't doubt that Jon was inspired when he wrote Tales. Jon is, and apparently has been, an avid believer in meditation. So am I, and I know you are too. I may do it a little differently, and time certainly is not on my side, but I do my best.

I highly respect your spirituality, and your reasons for loving TFTO so much. You know that. I wish the production was a bit louder, it sounds more dated than other Yes albums do, for some reason. Is that just me? I've been listening to it the last few days, and I keep thinking 'If it only SOUNDED like Talk'. I mean that in the sense that Talk is LOUD!!! TR even admitted he may have made it too loud in spots.

I just love Rick's keyboard work on Tales, being a one man symphony. It's amazing to listen to it and realize he didn't even like it! Anyway, I'm with you in spirit....Jack....

Originally posted by Earl Grey
Earl ('cough cough') Greylungs. :(
(I quit the nasty stuff before the next birthday. I mean it!).

Ok Earl, you said it. I'm holding you to it! Hey, don't forget, I'm on your side.


Originally posted by jack gowen
I had to take it to a TFTO thread, you know. You know I agree about it being on video.

About tapping into God conciousness, absolutely anyone can do it. I don't doubt that Jon was inspired when he wrote Tales.

I highly respect your spirituality, and your reasons for loving TFTO so much. You know that. I wish the production was a bit louder, it sounds more dated than other Yes albums do, for some reason. Is that just me? I've been listening to it the last few days, and I keep thinking 'If it only SOUNDED like Talk'.

I just love Rick's keyboard work on Tales, being a one man symphony. It's amazing to listen to it and realize he didn't even like it! Anyway, I'm with you in spirit....Jack....

I agree, I wish that the production was a bit louder. Perhaps it was meant to be because if we were able to hear everything fully, we might all just go "poof" and float off into nirvana.

When you say it sounds dated, I'm assuming you are meaning the production part of it, certainly not the music part of it. And I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on one point Jack and I think you know what that is. I really am glad it does not sound like Talk. But that's a small thing.

And you are right in your amazement of Rick's keys and his inability to grok it at the same time. It had to be divine inspiration. How else could someone go that far musically and not "get it", yet still create genius? Somebody else was moving those fingers, that's all. And I'm glad for it!

[Jackaranda]

I mean the production, Pat. I know I like Talk more than you do, but I like the way it sounds.

Jon mentioned in some interview a few years back about "re-doing" Tales. I can't remember exactly what he said, though.

I have to admit that I'd forgotten how great Alan is on Ritual. The drum solo took me by surprise.

My 4 year old (future Yes fan) is up, so it's nite nite time...You'll have me dreaming of Topographic Oceans before long!!!..Jack...

[Earl Grey]

How about if they mixed TALES in the style of, say FRAGILE?

RELAYER could use a re-fit as well...

I'm positive these could be remixed better. Just listen to some of those old Beatles tracks remixed for the Yellow Submarine DVD.
Just gorgeous: and yet again I'm willing to rebuy the Beatles catalogue...

And the same for YES if they remix Tales and Relayer...
Waiting with an open wallet.

E.G.

Originally posted by jack gowen
I mean the production, Pat. I know I like Talk more than you do, but I like the way it sounds.

Jon mentioned in some interview a few years back about "re-doing" Tales. I can't remember exactly what he said, though.

You'll have me dreaming of Topographic Oceans before long!!!..Jack...

Ok Jack, if the production is better, ok. I can't speak with authority on that so I won't comment, but I'll take your word for it.

Yes I read something too about Jon re-doing Tales. Even if it is Jon, I still shudder at the thought. Because what I read was that he was considering cutting it down to a one cd length. Perish the thought! Jon, you've got to cut back on that etoh! It's the lsd you need.

And regarding dreaming of Topographic Oceans....what could be better than that? Lucky You!


Originally posted by Earl Grey
How about if they mixed TALES in the style of, say FRAGILE?


Hey Earl, You're welcome! The days of you killing your heart/lungs are coming to an end. Rejoice!

Also, regarding mixing Tales in the style of Fragile? I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about. Would you please tell me more?

[Jackaranda]

I'm also a lifelong Beatles fan, and the remastered 'Yellow Sub', '1', and even the anthology tracks sound great, like they were recorded today. I'm also awaiting the whole catalogue coming out like that.

Pat, I've been listening to Tales this morning. I didn't have any Topographic dreams last night because I was up with my 4 year old all night!!Life is lovely anyway...Jack...

[Earl Grey]

...not re-recording TALES with Trevor or anything...

Imagine Tales From Topographic Oceans with the sonic quality of YES' Magnification: WOW!

And it could be done: much magic in modern studio technology today... Nothing would be lost, and every note would shimmer.

I await the day!

Earl Grey

[Jackaranda]

Exactly Earl.

[Earl Grey]

I keep hearing that it will contain all the tracks from the great YES albums... How many CDs are going to grace the thing?

It will probably cost me a pretty penny if done right (Say: 10 CDs altogether! Now that would be the ticket: I can do without food for a few weeks! What IS a budget?).

Hopefully Rhino will amaze us all with the best remix/remasters of all time on this project.
And LOTS of Dean stuff: Posters, stickers etc...

I can't wait to hear the RELAYER tunes remixed and mastered properly... You know, RELAYER always sounded great on vinyl: never so on CD...
Time to do it right!

Earl Grey

[Jackaranda]

Earl, you may be onto something here. I'd just love to hear TFTO with it all just a bit more up front, so to speak. And Relayer--that to me is what Tales is to Pat. Something to really look foward to.

And yessiree, now I remember that Jon did say something about cutting down the length. I wish I still had that interview, I just can't remember it that well.

[bjm0rwo]

I agree with the Relayer cd.I just listened to it today and it is missing something from the vinyl.Unfortunately my lp version is so worn out that it is almost unplayable.I feel the remastered cd has no punch and it seems to be very trebly if that's the word.There is no depth to it.Tales is the same to me as far as the cd is concerned.I won't care what the price is for the Rhino set,as long as they do it justice.But I'll hang onto my money until I read some positive reviews on the sound of the finished product.

[Earl Grey]

Somebody stop that frog from flouncing around here: he's distracting me...

If you give me the remastered YES today, I'll gladly repay you on tuesday!

I want my remastered RELAYER & TALES!

Earl