Help..Fragile DVDA...No DTS...No..Dolby Digital

[RJE]

I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the fix-it forum but thought people here might have more experience with this. I decided to upgrade my Yes collection today and went out and bought a couple of the Rhino releases and the Fragile DVDA. I loaded the Fragile disk in my player (Toshiba SD 4800) and my receiver (Yamaha RX-Z1) reported that it was receiving a PCM 48kHz signal and not a DTS signal. My audio connection is coax and have not had this problem with my other DVDs although this is my first DVD-audio disk. I spent some time checking to see if my receiver's decoder setting were proper and finally forced DTS on and got nothing. I then dug out the DVD player manual and started checking settings there (output set to bitstream, the player handles DVD audio etc). Then I noticed a small note in the manual that copyright protected disks are downsampled to 48 PCM before output. I then, using the audio button on my DVD remote, examined the selections that were there.
There were only two PPCM 6 channel and PPCM 2 channel. I am now wondering whether that extra P means "protected". Now, before I go out and junk this player, I was wondering if anyone here had any thoughts or solutions or if not, recomendations for a new DVD player without these copyright protection hassles.

Thanks

Roland

[nightliner]

I'm not sure about the extra P, but in my case, both the dvd-a signal and the dts were outputed thru the 5 channel analog outputs, not the coaxial.

[RJE]

Thanks Nightliner....I didn't have those outputs hooked up because I thought the coaxial would handle it. Guess they don't want the digital signal available for copying although it would provide a somewhat better signal overall if the receiver rather than the DVD player did the decoding. Looks like Monster is going to claim some more of my hard earned income (lol). Thanks again for the info.

Roland

[yessongs72]

I am able to listen to the Fragile DVD-A in DTS with the coaxial cable. You may need to do a audio setup, you can find that with the menu option. I have to adjust this almost everytime I play a DVD of any kind for some reason. I hope this helps. You shouldn't have to use analog cables on your DVD player. My DVD player is also my CD player and it's a Sony 5 carosel.Good luck!

[RJE]

I am able to listen to the Fragile DVD-A in DTS with the coaxial cable. You may need to do a audio setup, you can find that with the menu option. I have to adjust this almost everytime I play a DVD of any kind for some reason. I hope this helps. You shouldn't have to use analog cables on your DVD player. My DVD player is also my CD player and it's a Sony 5 carosel.Good luck!

I explored almost every audio setup possible with no luck. However, with
some digging I found the following article

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=12434716

A brief excerpt

CEDIA 2002: Meridian, Denon and Pioneer Digital
Interfaces


Minneapolis—At CEDIA Expo 2002, it was apparent
that important progress has been made towards
overcoming one of the major sticking points in the
adoption of the DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD
formats—the lack of digital connections between
players and surround processors. The restriction,
driven by content producers’ copyright infringement
concerns, limits high-resolution to analog-only
connections, preventing end users from being able to
utilize their digital processors’ bass management and
speaker time alignment capabilities. The analog-only
barrier has now been breached, however, and digital
connection technologies from Meridian Audio, Ltd.,
Denon Electronics, and Pioneer Electronics at CEDIA
showed that.

Yessongs72, I think you have either an older player before the copy-right protection was implemented or a very new player that allows high res digital
transfer as described in the article. Consider yourself lucky in either case!!

Thanks for all the feedback

Roland

[yessongs72]

I explored almost every audio setup possible with no luck. However, with
some digging I found the following article

http://www.highfidelityreview.com/news/news.asp?newsnumber=12434716

A brief excerpt

CEDIA 2002: Meridian, Denon and Pioneer Digital
Interfaces


Minneapolis—At CEDIA Expo 2002, it was apparent
that important progress has been made towards
overcoming one of the major sticking points in the
adoption of the DVD-Audio and Super Audio CD
formats—the lack of digital connections between
players and surround processors. The restriction,
driven by content producers’ copyright infringement
concerns, limits high-resolution to analog-only
connections, preventing end users from being able to
utilize their digital processors’ bass management and
speaker time alignment capabilities. The analog-only
barrier has now been breached, however, and digital
connection technologies from Meridian Audio, Ltd.,
Denon Electronics, and Pioneer Electronics at CEDIA
showed that.

Yessongs72, I think you have either an older player before the copy-right protection was implemented or a very new player that allows high res digital
transfer as described in the article. Consider yourself lucky in either case!!

Thanks for all the feedback

Roland

I must be lucky,lol. I purchased my player in early 2002. It also plays MP3'S,VCD'S,CDRW'S,CDR'S ect. I am happy so far. I would be happier with all of the Yes catalog on DVD-A. I have to voice that again.

[spock]

HI,
question : did you make your selection of the DTS-modus via screen instructions on the TV or via your remote ?
I ask this because , when I plug in the DVD-A in my player....it automaticly starts playing the 5.1 modus.....so I have to stop the playing....go to the menu....and then select the DTS-mode via the screen.....which it plays from there on..without any problems.
Set-up AMP Denon AVC11sr with budget-player.
michael
Belgium

[RJE]

I configured via the remote on my receiver and DVD. I think the problems are mainly with Zone 1 DVD players (North America) which have this copy protection stuff.

Roland

[pixiedave]

because dvd-a is a protected format, you must use the 5.1 rca analog outputs to a 5.1 amp with 5.1 rca analog inputs. That is to enjoy dvd-a and sacd, if you just want regular cd sound use digital outputs. I just wire everything and i dont have to think about it
there are hihger end amps and dvd-a/sacd players that can inytetrlink via firewire and decode the 5.1 that way, but thats rich people stuff