Why did Tony leave after Talk?

[jimmygtr]

Probably already been explained more than once but why did Tony Kaye quit and/or get asked to leave after the Talk Tour?

Was it Trevor leaving, the availablity of Rick, or lack of propert touring wardrobe...

[frosted]

Stee Howe's return prompted Tony's departure.

[jimmygtr]

What happened b/w Steve and Tony? I thought Tony's issues in the past were with Trevor Horn.

[bataisflow]

I think Steve has an issue with his ability to play in general. Maybe Steve didn't like the one handed bit?

[jimmygtr]

I think Steve has an issue with his ability to play in general. Maybe Steve didn't like the one handed bit?

Good Ol' Steve.

Of course Wakey plays with one hand sometimes as well. I remember Keith Emmerson saying his favorite player was Jon Lord of Deep Purple because he "at least used both hands"

[bataisflow]

Well the Wakester can pull off everything with one hand, that's the major difference.

[Jackaranda]

Wakeman was supposed to play on Talk but somehow didn't, even so I believe Kaye was supposed to be on board anyway.

The question is, why did Rabin leave?

[eyesoflove1]

Im sure that the true reasons for either Tony Or Trevor leaving the band will never truley be made public.since there seems to be so many different takes on each individual departure, somehow it just doesnt seem like it is something that we have a need to know. Do I want to know Oh SURE but I dont think we ever will.
Eyes

[Jackaranda]

My guess is Jon wanted a change, because there was so much trouble with Talk. The album was delayed, it faced competition from former members, the tour was delayed due to Jon's back injury, and radio was changing so, even though The Calling was popular, the rest of the album never had a chance. Also, Victory records went bankrupt during the tour.

One can understand his frustration. However, I'll always defend Talk. It's a great Yes album.

[PO]

My guess is Jon wanted a change...

Jon wanted a change in the 1980s. ABWH was formed before Union, so Anderson/Wakeman/Howe was destined over a decade ago. The 1980's lineup was never intended to reunite, especially since Anderson quit after BG IN the 1980's. Any spark was long gone.

[BrianD]

Talk was a contractual arrangement that largely specified the Yeswest lineup- as Paul said before, it wasn't the direction that Jon seemed to be heading. It was also not the direction the fans wanted.

[Full Tilt Boogie]

Alas, I'm blissfully unaware of any of the reasons why Tony Kaye left the band when he did (ditto Rabin, although I lose no sleep over his departure); but what I can say, as someone else alluded to above, is that Kaye was - even for the 80s - one of the most sartorially challenged geeks on the planet....he even carried on this identity crisis over to the Union Tour (witness the DVD!), FFS!

I can see that Steve H might have preferred Wakeman (witness Steve's 'in the studio interview' on the Symphonic DVD where he says "I needed Rick back in the band to do some of the stuff we wanted to do") and compared to Wakeman, Kaye is pedestrian on keysboards in the extreme.

What ever the fall out, I understand, from reading these pages, that Kaye is/was in dispute with Yes and their management over past royalties and has asked for his pictures and profile to be removed from this site!

Nothing like a 'DRAMA'-queen, eh? :D

[jimmygtr]

My 2 cents.

I think there was a contractual album to do the album, but only in the sense that Victory wanted the 90125 band. Wakeman was under different managment which created a problem. Talk was strong musically but a commercial failure (outside the single The Calling) and the record not only did not have money to promote, they went belly up.

It's really unfortunate buy Union took Yes off of Atlantic Records and you can track much of the demise commercially to that.

Trevor wanted to try music scoring, he was tired, and I think (to bring this about around to the thread topic) Trevor was probably closer to Tony than the others so to have Trevor leaving the band probably sealed Tony's fate.

I still don't understand how that being together for 12 years as the 90125 band they failed to do more than 3.1/3 albums.

[pixiedave]

My 2 cents.

I think there was a contractual album to do the album, but only in the sense that Victory wanted the 90125 band. Wakeman was under different managment which created a problem. Talk was strong musically but a commercial failure (outside the single The Calling) and the record not only did not have money to promote, they went belly up.

It's really unfortunate buy Union took Yes off of Atlantic Records and you can track much of the demise commercially to that.

Trevor wanted to try music scoring, he was tired, and I think (to bring this about around to the thread topic) Trevor was probably closer to Tony than the others so to have Trevor leaving the band probably sealed Tony's fate.

I still don't understand how that being together for 12 years as the 90125 band they failed to do more than 3.1/3 albums.Bacause they were on auto pilot with no creative juices present. Jon Cris and Alan were trying to keep yes afloat, and brought in Trevor, I offer that they were never "into" this lineup
and were content to generate income by touring. They did not have any desire to record, because A the line up sucked and they new it, They new that new albums would not sell so why bother. I was watching a dvd of Talk tour in Chili, and I would have kicked Tony out with a steel toed boot, He sounded like the worst of any 80 synth band abd Trevor looks like he is constipated everytime he plays a heavy metal type riff, That kind of posing looked bad in Motley Crue, and even worst in the venue of YES Tony Kaye was great on TYA i love the hammond sound, but watching this show from 94 demonstrates Kaye's lack of talent. just my opinion, and your all entiltled to your wrong opinions LOL!

[Full Tilt Boogie]

Hey Dave mate,

Welcome - you've come home!! :D

[jimmygtr]

...They did not have any desire to record, because A the line up sucked and they new it, They new that new albums would not sell so why bother...

Gads man. Thats a bit harsh. I'll offer up a different theory,

1) Alan and Chris are simply not prolific like Jon
2) Chris is a self admitted procrastinator
3) Jon and Trevor couldn't agree the same way Jon and Steve have had a hard time agreeing.
4) Trevor R. has also mentioned there were drug issues in the band during the Big Generator as well.
5) If they really didn't want Tony they could have replaced him anytime they wanted but they chose not to.

Why would they know new albums would not sell when 90125 went triple platinum? If anything 4 years between records was a horrible decision (think about how closely TYA, Fragile, CTTE, and Yessongs came up - that was a benefit, not a detriment.

Also Trevor, Alan, and Chris are clearly good friends even apart from Yes and I don't think they they they "sucked".

:1svader:

[ycantibu]

My understanding is that Trevor was tired of the politics, wanted to do something new and wanted to be with his family more.

[Rabin105]

Bacause they were on auto pilot with no creative juices present. Jon Cris and Alan were trying to keep yes afloat, and brought in Trevor, I offer that they were never "into" this lineup
and were content to generate income by touring. They did not have any desire to record, because A the line up sucked and they new it, They new that new albums would not sell so why bother. I was watching a dvd of Talk tour in Chili, and I would have kicked Tony out with a steel toed boot, He sounded like the worst of any 80 synth band abd Trevor looks like he is constipated everytime he plays a heavy metal type riff, That kind of posing looked bad in Motley Crue, and even worst in the venue of YES Tony Kaye was great on TYA i love the hammond sound, but watching this show from 94 demonstrates Kaye's lack of talent. just my opinion, and your all entiltled to your wrong opinions LOL!
Okay first of all let me say one thing you realize dave your making fun of a man who was suffering Carpel tunnel syndrome right this sin't new to you if its well suprise He had it. He was going to be part of the menagement for yes but it didn't work.
Tony kaye left for health problems hopefully he is doing better now as he played on run like hell on the new floyd tribute album. I hope so Because I want to see him play live. and as for Rabin oh so you wantyour guitarist to just stand there like they are half dead (if your wondering who I'm talking about uhm apparently you haven't seen yes recently) jeez wow either you like to cause trouble or you have no idea what your talking about. I agree with the triple platinum 90125 comment but as for why only 3 and half album lets look at the fact shall we
1. The band had numerous problems with Trevor Horn so much so he had to leave because he was pulling BG one way and the band was pulling it another (plus Tony's problems with Horn)
2. Anderson Left in 88 after the tour so they tried to find a replacement and found a very good one (Billy Sherwood) but Billy was scared to replace Jon (well wouldn't you be look at what happened to trevor horn I don't think he's played live since or ever will)
3. Tony by the mid to late 90's had health problems (that is part of the reason Trevor and billy did keyboard work on tour and on the album)
4. Trevor and chris are real close Jon is not that close with either seriously
5. they toured a lot
6. By the time the 90125 tour started it was what 84 (seriously was all the tours they did delayed Trevor has a health problem then Jon what did somebody put a contract out on these guys so classic yes would get back together or something)
7. Oh yeah trevor did something called a solo ablum and tour which though emmensly popular delayed things for yes
8. oh yeah the early 90's was filled with a huge tour called union maybe you've heard of it 8 members in the round sound vaguly familiar.
9. Lets see all the mebers practically were with different record companies Rick wasn't kidding when he said on yesyears "8 or 9 record companies" union was a miracle how they got the record companies to agree on this (money incriminating photos) Beats me but they did
10. Union 2 was supposed to happen and should of if it wasn't for a guy named Paul from victorey (had that not happened Union would probably still be around to this day)
there you go ten thing that show you either like to get people mad and cause trouble or have mno idea what on earth your talking about by the way i am a yes geek and proud of it (Billy Sherwood was one and look at what happened to him)
oh and have a nice day

[swib]

Lets just cut this right to the chase shall we.

Drugs
Animosity
Managerial problems
Record management problems
Personality issues
Lack of playing the keyboards properly

[pixiedave]

Okay first of all let me say one thing you realize dave your making fun of a man who was suffering Carpel tunnel syndrome right this sin't new to you if its well suprise He had it. He was going to be part of the menagement for yes but it didn't work.
>> so what if he was going to be in management. im sorry he has carpal, but when it makes him sound like crap it still sounds like crap illness or no.
Tony kaye left for health problems hopefully he is doing better now as he played on run like hell on the new floyd tribute album. I hope so Because I want to see him play live. and as for Rabin oh so you wantyour guitarist to just stand there like they are half dead (if your wondering who I'm talking about uhm apparently you haven't seen yes recently)
>>I don't know what yes you saw recently, but the yes i saw had a guitarest jumping around and playing hard. More inportantly he played with emotion.

jeez wow either you like to cause trouble or you have no idea what your talking about. I agree with the triple platinum 90125 comment but as for why only 3 and half album lets look at the fact shall we
1. The band had numerous problems with Trevor Horn so much so he had to leave because he was pulling BG one way and the band was pulling it another (plus Tony's problems with Horn)
2. Anderson Left in 88 after the tour so they tried to find a replacement and found a very good one (Billy Sherwood) but Billy was scared to replace Jon (well wouldn't you be look at what happened to trevor horn I don't think he's played live since or ever will)
3. Tony by the mid to late 90's had health problems (that is part of the reason Trevor and billy did keyboard work on tour and on the album)
4. Trevor and chris are real close Jon is not that close with either seriously
5. they toured a lot
6. By the time the 90125 tour started it was what 84 (seriously was all the tours they did delayed Trevor has a health problem then Jon what did somebody put a contract out on these guys so classic yes would get back together or something)
7. Oh yeah trevor did something called a solo ablum and tour which though emmensly popular delayed things for yes
>> if he cant comitt to yes than replace him.
8. oh yeah the early 90's was filled with a huge tour called union maybe you've heard of it 8 members in the round sound vaguly familiar.
>> Yeah sounds familiar, saw a few of those shows, when tr played we went out for beer so we would not miss steve. And i remeber thinking that TK should give it up. It was lame.

there you go ten thing that show you either like to get people mad and cause trouble or have mno idea what on earth your talking about by the way i am a yes geek and proud of it (Billy Sherwood was one and look at what happened to him)
oh and have a nice day
I do not see how staing my opinion gets people mad, it is my opinion. Mayby you should examine why you ger so defensive over a band. kind of sad.
meow meow panties tight?

[Rabin105]

meow meow panties tight?
nice come back by the way adam sandler called he wants his jokes back seriously he does now if you want to do childish behavior fine by me but be warned I have a whole bag of comebacks with your name on it (oh and don't blame me for going to get a degree and music history and eventually a docterine in it also for actually knowing the event of yes in the 80's but hey i figured you being a yes fan would know these things obviously i was wrong)

[R'tanys]

Alright, kids, play nice. Only the boys in the band know for sure what inspired whom to do what and they all seem to have their own spin on it. Comparing notes is one thing, but flaming and ripping off Mancow's banter is beneath any self-respecting Yesfan.

[pixiedave]

nice come back by the way adam sandler called he wants his jokes back seriously he does now if you want to do childish behavior fine by me but be warned I have a whole bag of comebacks with your name on it (oh and don't blame me for going to get a degree and music history and eventually a docterine in it also for actually knowing the event of yes in the 80's but hey i figured you being a yes fan would know these things obviously i was wrong)
If burying oneself in the minutia of yesdom and getting worked up over a post that differs from your opinon is being a yesfan, than i am most assuredly not a yesfan by your definition. Furthermore, i answered all of your points in the quote box, but you obviously only red the quip at the bottom. A whole bag of comebacks! Oh no please don't! I am scared. Why would I blame you for pursuing an education? I commend anyone that pursues higher education. Although I have to ask where your understanding of collegiate awards come from, what is a docterine? It is actually spelled doctrine. I thought one earned a doctorate. Is not a doctrine described as;
# A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
# A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
# A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
You never blow your trip forever!
Again, my opinion, Tony,s playing in the 80's and 90's was shamefull do to no fault of his own.
Trevor Rabin's guitar playing is emotionless and sterile.
If other projects delayed the release of Yes albums and tours, than they were not devoting themselves to Yes music and it shows!
I do not think you are wrong for enjoying yeswest, please show me the same respect for not liking yeswest.

[Rabin105]

first off all i did only read the bottom sorry though "In my mind and in my car we can't rewind we've gone to far" (please accept my apology and lets us p\ut the post behind us but my sandler comment is funny)
alright first off all sorry about not reading the rest of the posts and frankly Kaye has bad luck he is replaced by a keyboardist he respict and is respected by ( before joining yes Rick was impressed with tony and before leaving yes tony was impressed with rick) then he join this band wqith a nice and great guitarist and does a lot of nice work with this band only to have a producer come in and wreck the whole thing then he majically (due to a contractual error) rejoins only the band is now Yes (oh and in Hartford steve looked okay but aside a headbob he didn't do much if he is now jumping around the stage Glad to hear it good thing i have tickets to yes and Dream theatre) Big generator (whjch i feel a lot of the songs were/are from is unrelreased solo album it was to be released in 82 on electra and probably would of been great) oh and i miss spelled dotorate. Sorry about that one too.
Now I'm a yesfan but one that Feel as rick said "Yes has always had great musicans in it it has never had bad musicans and it was the musicans who were there at the time had the honor of making the yes music" as for your idea's Trevor was replaced by a man Named Bruce Gowdy Brought in by sherwood he is from the world trade center. I bet someone somewhere has at least a jam session by this lineup (if Fly from here has shown up on numerous lp's claiming to have horn squire bruford and downes <though i belive it is white not bruford and have heard from some people howe is on it too> for the 'Next Yes album') anyways they started working but Rabin came back so rehersals and work had to start again and then anderson came and well the rest is hhisstory as they say. oh plus Toiny did ama=zing there is a song called miracle of life listen to it it's good trust me if you like fragile and the yes album you like miracle of life (love that organ riff0
as far as defensive sorry but I see it as stating My point of view if that is defensive eh I've been called worse. so there you go agree to disagree and "yes has never had a bad member" (come on rick said it he's a trooper listen to him)
your fellow yesfan
Mac

[jimmygtr]

... Big generator (whjch i feel a lot of the songs were/are from is unrelreased solo album it was to be released in 82 on electra and probably would of been great)

Huh???


... I bet someone somewhere has at least a jam session by this lineup (if Fly from here has shown up on numerous lp's claiming to have horn squire bruford and downes <though i belive it is white not bruford and have heard from some people howe is on it too> for the 'Next Yes album')

Squire Bruford Horn??? Double Huh???


:anielf:

[bondegezou]

... Big generator (whjch i feel a lot of the songs were/are from is unrelreased solo album it was to be released in 82 on electra and probably would of been great)

Huh???

Kaye was working on an instrumental solo album and seems to have largely (completely?) recorded it; a release was announced. However, Kaye decided the album would be better with vocals and went back to work on it... at which point the album disappears and nothing more is ever heard of it.

I know of no evidence whatsoever that Kaye recycled ideas from this project for Big Generator.


... I bet someone somewhere has at least a jam session by this lineup (if Fly from here has shown up on numerous lp's claiming to have horn squire bruford and downes for the 'Next Yes album')

Squire Bruford Horn??? Double Huh???

White was temporarily unavailable - possibly because of his broken foot that had brought the Paris sessions to a halt - but Squire was keen to work with Horn and Downes on the song that they'd brought to him as a possible Yes number ("We Can Fly from Here", played live by the Drama band, but not on the album). Thus, Bruford was invited in and there was a recording made with Squire, Bruford, Horn and Downes.

Henry

[jimmygtr]

Kaye was working on an instrumental solo album and seems to have largely (completely?) recorded it; a release was announced. However, Kaye decided the album would be better with vocals and went back to work on it... at which point the album disappears and nothing more is ever heard of it.

I know of no evidence whatsoever that Kaye recycled ideas from this project for Big Generator.



White was temporarily unavailable - possibly because of his broken foot that had brought the Paris sessions to a halt - but Squire was keen to work with Horn and Downes on the song that they'd brought to him as a possible Yes number ("We Can Fly from Here", played live by the Drama band, but not on the album). Thus, Bruford was invited in and there was a recording made with Squire, Bruford, Horn and Downes.

Henry

Sounds fascinating, but I've never heard anyone in the band speak of it and wouldn't Bruford have been in King Crimson at that time (Disicipline-Beat era).

:anielf:

[bondegezou]

Sounds fascinating, but I've never heard anyone in the band speak of it and wouldn't Bruford have been in King Crimson at that time (Disicipline-Beat era).

I think it's in the Welch book.

Henry

[smatt]

Tony didn't play a lick on the Talk alumb, he was basically a hired gun on the thour. That being said he left so he could file yet another lawsuit against them.

[Rabin105]

Tony didn't play a lick on the Talk alumb, he was basically a hired gun on the thour. That being said he left so he could file yet another lawsuit against them.
he was misrepresented on house of yes but there were so many problems with the credits alone on that ablum (Jon anderson had nothing i repeat nothing to do with Cinema yet majically his name is the hmmm) plus they used tony's birth name on one song for the vidoe and a completly different name for credits on cinema as for the second suit I think It was va problem that everyone had on yesyears (don'tr you love how record companies create compolations without consulting uhm say THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE AND PKLAYED THE SONGS) so it's not like tony just had no reason and i bewlive he is suing yes's manhgment and rhino records not Chris and the band. plus tony did play on talk not much but all of the hammond was tony or at least sound like tony. maybe trevor has learned how to sound like tony in that case get him back on keys. plus on the Kaye solo album/ generator my only basis seems on 2 thiongs one he seems to have cowrote nearly every song on the ablum and 2 he stopped mention of a solo ablum around that time which allow me to believe that like the other members he had tapes of songs thast he was working on (i.e. his solo ablum) and Jon Cris Alan and Trevor liked itand expanded on it and added to it. while i have no concrete proof it sounds plausable practical and makes sense

[smatt]

he was misrepresented on house of yes but there were so many problems with the credits alone on that ablum (Jon anderson had nothing i repeat nothing to do with Cinema yet majically his name is the hmmm) plus they used tony's birth name on one song for the vidoe and a completly different name for credits on cinema as for the second suit I think It was va problem that everyone had on yesyears (don'tr you love how record companies create compolations without consulting uhm say THE PEOPLE WHO WROTE AND PKLAYED THE SONGS) so it's not like tony just had no reason and i bewlive he is suing yes's manhgment and rhino records not Chris and the band. plus tony did play on talk not much but all of the hammond was tony or at least sound like tony. maybe trevor has learned how to sound like tony in that case get him back on keys. plus on the Kaye solo album/ generator my only basis seems on 2 thiongs one he seems to have cowrote nearly every song on the ablum and 2 he stopped mention of a solo ablum around that time which allow me to believe that like the other members he had tapes of songs thast he was working on (i.e. his solo ablum) and Jon Cris Alan and Trevor liked itand expanded on it and added to it. while i have no concrete proof it sounds plausable practical and makes sense

Well I've never really checlked the credits out on House of Yes. But I can tell you that if my memory serves me correctly. Tony never played a lick on Talk. Trevor is a fine keybordist though. As for the record company compilation things.... Remeber that the record company actually owns the recordings released on a particular album and doesn't need the bands permission to rerelease them. But if the credited song writters still own the publishing, then they get royalities on such recordings. That's why many artists choose to re-record there old songs so that they can get around their old labels. There was band input on Yesyears, it just wasn't from Steve.

He did in-fact file suit against YES, and at the time the owner of the name was in-fact Chris. Which has changed since that time. Although I'm sure Tony will be filing yet another suit any day now, when he needs a new pair a tennis shows. :lmao:

[Jackaranda]

Tony played the Hammond on Talk. He plays on The Calling, Real Love, and Endless Dream. Trevor plays everything else.

[satyam]

Ok enough is enough, I've said it once and now I am convinced that I am the sole Tony Kaye defender on this site.
I saw Tony on the Chile ' 94 tour and maybe you all should take a better look since Billy Sherwood played guitar and sang with a few keyboard interjections.
Tony did an admirable job of Heart of the Sunrise and And you and I.
I would admit that he is not as good as Rick, but for all of you who think he can't play keyboards, can you do a better job?
Tony's tenure in Yes is evidence enough that he was a worthy player and he was a greater team player that Rick was, recall the KTA isssue and Rick's untimely departure.
Talk was a very strong album from a musical point of view and I will advise all Kaye and Rabin bashers to read the interview with TR from Notes from the edge some time ago.
I personally think that some of the Hammond work Tony has done with Yes Rick would not have dreamt of doing.
Difference Tony - Jazz and blues influenced and Rick - Classically influenced.
Go back to the early Yes albums and you would realise this from the interplay between Tony and Bill.
Tony was the rhythm guitarist Yes never had
Long live the Kaye of Keyboards

[yarstruly]

I have always supported Tony Kaye's playing.....But I thinmk it was just time to move on in the mid 90's....

[Starship Trooper]

Tony would probably be all right if the guitar players of Yes (Howe & Rabin) weren't so overwhelmingly strong.

He doesn't really belong in a band like Yes that is made up of musical virtuosos with tremendous musical chops. He'd be better off in more of a regular rock band.

[smatt]

Tony played the Hammond on Talk. He plays on The Calling, Real Love, and Endless Dream. Trevor plays everything else.


I stand corrected I think, although I'm not totally sure of this account, as I've heard differently from sources. Bit it may in-fact be true that some of Tony's work remained intact. I d know that much of what he did during the recording process was deemed unacceptable and therfore removed, as were many of Chris' parts.

I'm certainly not a Tony hater, although I do critizise his litagious nature. He's a fine hammond man that is for sure. But is very much lacking in the synth/piano areas. Those skillls are very much different, as I feel that Rick is certainly not a great Hammond player.

[Jackaranda]

I stand corrected I think, although I'm not totally sure of this account, as I've heard differently from sources. Bit it may in-fact be true that some of Tony's work remained intact. I d know that much of what he did during the recording process was deemed unacceptable and therfore removed, as were many of Chris' parts.



Now I'd heard that on 90125 Trevor Horn wouldn't accept Tony's playing, and had Rabin rerecord parts. But not on BG or Talk. But Chris' parts? Where did you hear that? I only heard that Trev played bass on Walls, because he practically did that song by himself.

[smatt]

Now I'd heard that on 90125 Trevor Horn wouldn't accept Tony's playing, and had Rabin rerecord parts. But not on BG or Talk. But Chris' parts? Where did you hear that? I only heard that Trev played bass on Walls, because he practically did that song by himself.


Well I'm not exactly at liberty to say that....... It is a rather touchy subject :lol: But give Talk a careful listen Jack, tune out everything else and listen to the bass lines. You'll hear it, I'm sure. It's really not all that much of a secret though, as it has been spoken of by others at various times........

[Sunrise68]

Well I'm a Tony supporter too! A few thoughts...

Maybe its just me, but I hear Hammond deep in the mix on more than three songs on Talk. It is more prominent on The Calling of course, but I think there is at least a bit on almost every song.

As for BG - there is Hammond all over the place and a lot of the synths on the album sound like Tony too.

My guess is that Tony's barrier as a Generator was not lack of talent, but the fact that Trevor Rabin as the chief songwriter was also the producer and arranger. Recording was less about collaboration and everyone coming up with their own parts (as it was in was in the Trooper era), but with fitting one's parts into the composer/arranger's vision. As Trevor is a decent but unimaginative keyboard player himself, I get the feeling that it was often easier for him to play the part himself than to have Tony play it note for note.

I wish Tony would do an interview and clear all this stuff up for real, though.

John

[rememberer]

Sometimes I think it's pretty hard to transfer your chops to synths - especially with monophonic or duophonic ones and things that are pretty much virtually insensentive to technique, like old Moogs and so on. You could probably be almost as good a synth player as Patrick or Rick without being anywhere near as good a pianist as they are. Seems possible to me that Tony's a bit better than he often gets credit for.

[SouthSideGuy]

I can't stand Tony, Not my cup of tea....I fined my tast to be vary pop.

[Steve St Thomas]

Ok enough is enough, I've said it once and now I am convinced that I am the sole Tony Kaye defender on this site.
I saw Tony on the Chile ' 94 tour and maybe you all should take a better look since Billy Sherwood played guitar and sang with a few keyboard interjections.
Tony did an admirable job of Heart of the Sunrise and And you and I.
I would admit that he is not as good as Rick, but for all of you who think he can't play keyboards, can you do a better job?
Tony's tenure in Yes is evidence enough that he was a worthy player and he was a greater team player that Rick was, recall the KTA isssue and Rick's untimely departure.
Talk was a very strong album from a musical point of view and I will advise all Kaye and Rabin bashers to read the interview with TR from Notes from the edge some time ago.
I personally think that some of the Hammond work Tony has done with Yes Rick would not have dreamt of doing.
Difference Tony - Jazz and blues influenced and Rick - Classically influenced.
Go back to the early Yes albums and you would realise this from the interplay between Tony and Bill.
Tony was the rhythm guitarist Yes never had
Long live the Kaye of Keyboards

You're not the only Tony Kaye defender ;) I think the guy is great, and all I need to hear is what he does on Time and A Word to know it. And I know for a FACT, that what you say about Wakeman NOT approaching Hammond B3 like Kaye is definitely true. In FACT, I've never heard any other YES keyboardist play Hammond like Tony Kaye. There is just some really 'crazy' stuff he does, and Time and a Word has tons of it on there. I've heard Jon Lord play what Wakeman does. I've heard Chick Corea or Jan Hammer play what Patrick Moraz does. I have not heard anyone quite play like Tony Kaye.

[Steve St Thomas]

Well I'm not exactly at liberty to say that....... It is a rather touchy subject :lol: But give Talk a careful listen Jack, tune out everything else and listen to the bass lines. You'll hear it, I'm sure. It's really not all that much of a secret though, as it has been spoken of by others at various times........

Why not? Have you been sued in the past for stating why? ;)

[smatt]

Why not? Have you been sued in the past for stating why? ;)

SSSHHH, don't give anybody any ideas..... :lol:

I'm already in enough trouble with certain people these days.......

[Steve St Thomas]

SSSHHH, don't give anybody any ideas..... :lol:

I'm already in enough trouble with certain people these days.......

Damn! And I love ideas!

Sorry to hear you're in trouble though. Don't worry. That club is almost at full membership, so we should just have enough donations to start putting out the T-shirts and Monthly Newsletter.

And even though Squire is absolutley, positively my favourite member of YES, I have no problems with whether he appears on Talk or not! :D I love the album anyway. Though it would be a little disappointing to hear (and I've heard about this for years), I really have not listened to that album for the Bass lines. I'm listening to it for the songs. If I want to hear Squire's bass lines, I have Fish Out of a Water and at least 15 years of recordings to go back to, if ever I should miss him in that way. And if I wanted Chris Squire to keep repeating everything he did back in the 70's and early 80's, then I wouldn't have bought 90125 OR Big Generator. I would've just stuck with Silently Falling.

[raz]

cos he was no good and they realised at last....
just kidding

[luckeydoug1]

Tony and Rick play two completely different styles. Rick style is more flambouyant and solo oriented and his style is more appropriate in certain songs. Tony's style was more appropriate for the Yes West type of songs. As a keyboard player myself, I find I prefer much of what Tony does as a member of a band to what Rick does as a soloist who happens to be performing with several other musicians. To me it all comes down to which style you want. Both are talented keyboard players. For me, as someone who prefers the music of the Yes West lineup, I find I prefer Tony's style overall. Further, in watching my 9012 DVD (Brazil), it sure looks to me as if Tony is playing up a storm.